Oh, and fan service? Except for the henshin deck, essentially none. It doesn't seem to be that kind of show.
I'm sold then. Will look it up.
On 2nd thought, don't thigh-high skirts sort of count as fan-service? I'll still check it out tho.
Posted by: Jaked at February 02, 2011 06:27 PM (1M6y0)
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Depends on your point of view. No panty shots that I noticed, for example.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 02, 2011 06:59 PM (+rSRq)
3Plus there's a segment after the ED featuring Amano and her two friends,
doing a kind of news show, which is clearly ripped off from the end of Lucky Star.
Lucky Star aired in 2007 (good lord, has it been that long?). Wikipedia says that Happy Seven was broadcast in 2005, so if anything LS ripped off HS.
I seem to remember watching a few episodes of this a while back... certainly wasn't bad, but it never sparked with me and I dropped it. It felt like I was missing something important, but I'll be darned if I knew what it was.
Posted by: Wonderduck at February 02, 2011 10:33 PM (W8Men)
I guess you're right. There was another thing I thought was a take on another show: "the ten of us are Happy Seven". Reminded me of Koi Koi 7: "The six of us are Koi Koi 7." Only KK7 came out a few months after this one.
Maybe it was something in the wind.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 03, 2011 08:02 AM (+rSRq)
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Man, the setup of this show sounds eerily like the "history" behind Scientology. I wonder if it's going to end up being one giant gag.
Posted by: Will at February 03, 2011 08:19 AM (Uoe/4)
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I doubt there's any Scientology influence on it, good or bad. It's more like a take on mahou shoujou shouws.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 03, 2011 08:46 AM (+rSRq)
I think it's a trope that every Japanese school has a wooded mountain behind it
Zoning laws. When building a new school, if there is no conveniently-placed mountain, a team of earthmovers will build one. Then the landscapers plant trees.
Posted by: Boviate at February 03, 2011 09:58 AM (C8t4z)
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I watched a few series where there was no mountain: Lucky Star, Windy Tales are examples. In many cases the school is high above the town, e.g. Haruhi and Shingu.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at February 03, 2011 10:42 AM (9KseV)
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Oh, the mountain is there, Pete. You just didn't notice it!
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 03, 2011 10:53 AM (+rSRq)
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Besides which, they're magic mountains, which can only be seen by those who need them.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 03, 2011 12:27 PM (+rSRq)
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Like if you needed to have a life-or-death duel directly outside the school with a reincarnation of a Greek monster?
Actually, we do get a couple distance shots of Konata's school, and the terrain is flat as she is.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at February 03, 2011 02:11 PM (pWQz4)
Da nao tian gong means "havoc in heaven" or "uproar in heaven". It's an 80 minute animated feature (in the version I have) which was produced in Shanghai in the late 1950's and early 1960's. It was released in two halves, the first in 1961 and the second in 1964.
It's a very ambitious work, and the animation is smooth and the art is of very high quality. It seems as if the artists were trying to live up to the kind of standards Walt Disney had set with his 1940's feature-length cartoons, but of course using Chinese style art and characters and situations.
It's based on the early part of Journey to the West, and it may well be the earliest cartoon to tap into that mythos. It stars the Monkey King, Sun WuKong. His people live on the Mountain of Fruit and Flowers, and one day he watches them practicing their martial arts. He decides to put on a show for them, dancing with his sword.
But the sword breaks, and he laments that there is no weapon there worthy of him. One of his advisors tells him that he can journey to the castle of the dragon king, where there are many worthy weapons. So he does.
But none of them are good enough. Even the one that weighs 1600 kilograms is too light, too flimsy. Then they show him Ruyi Jingu Bang, a magical staff which can change size at the will of the wielder. When Sun WuKong first sees it, it is huge, and it had been left there by the gods to quell the oceans and make them calm. The Dragon King tells Sun WuKong he may have the staff if only he can pick it up, but the offer is not genuine. The Dragon King thinks he'll fail, become discouraged, and leave.
Unfortunately for him, Sun WuKong does pick it up, and it responds to him by changing size as he wishes it to. He prepares to leave with it, and the Dragon king says wait, you can't take that. But you said I could, and so I will.
The Dragon King goes to the Jade Emperor, top of all the gods in heaven, and complains that Sun WuKong has stolen the staff. The Jade Emperor is ready to order an arrest for it, but one of his advisors, an old sycophant who apparently is Venus, instead suggests that they bring Sun WuKong into heaven and give him a low position there, so they can keep an eye on him.
And that is what they do. Sun WuKong is made head of the stables. But he's a troublemaker, and the first thing he does is to release all the horses so they can run free. For that the horses love him, but it gets him into trouble with the power structure.
The head of the imperial cavalry attacks him for it, and is defeated easily. Sun WuKong realizes he's been tricked, and goes back to the Mountain of Fruit and Flowers.
But the Jade Emperor has not forgotten about him, or given up. Two gods are sent to capture him, but Sun WuKong defeats them both. And the story proceeds from there.
It's an amazing film, and though I got really tired of the Beijing-Opera-style music, the animation is superb from beginning to end.
The Wikipedia article about the film is rather somber reading. The Shanghai animation scene had gotten going in earnest in the early 1950's, once things had settled down from WWII and the Chinese Civil War, and had gotten bigger, better, and more successful. This film was the last one made there, and it was a critical and commercial success, getting all kinds of awards.
Shortly after this film was released, the entire industry was shut down by the Cultural Revolution. It's one of the lesser crimes of that terrible event, but a crime nonetheless. The sheer mastery of the animation form in this film offers the promise of much that might have come after, but didn't... because it didn't fit within Mao's idea of how the nation should be.
Fortunately, they didn't outright destroy this film, or maybe copies of it survived overseas. Whichever it was, this masterpiece is available to us now, and I recommend it highly.
I got my copy through BakaBT but that torrent is gone now. I have no idea why.
It was called "Wu Kong" in the torrent title, but the two video files had the Chinese names. It seems to have been ripped from a pair of VCDs, which is why the resolution is low.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 28, 2011 02:15 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: metaphysician at January 28, 2011 07:20 PM (hD30M)
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An older digital format, predating DVDs. VHS quality video (though of course it doesn't degrade). Never caught on here, but it was quite popular in China and other Asian countries except Japan.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at January 28, 2011 07:52 PM (pWQz4)
Some time in the future, cockroaches and other household pests have become immune to all known insecticides. Cockroaches are the consummate survivors; they existed before the dinosaurs and they're likely to outlive us, too. With chemical weapons useless, humanity turns to robotics.
Hoihoi-san is a combat meido android designed to hunt cockroaches and other insects. She's five inches tall and carries a couple of SMGs. If you have problems with cockroaches in your home, you buy a HoiHoi-san, and plug the charging unit into the wall. She will monitor the environment, and when she detects insects, she sorties and destroys them. Then she returns to her charging unit.
HoiHoi-san becomes very popular, so they design a second one called Combat-san. Combat-san is a heavy weapons frame... And there are lots of upgrades available, and it's like a warped version of "Angelic Layer". Very warped.
This apparently was a game. (UPDATE: no, it was a manga.) The video is only 10 minutes long and I think it's like the original Strike Witches OVA, created as a bonus to be included with the product (in this case, the game). There was, at one point, a rumor that they were going to turn it into a TV series, but that didn't pay off.
So you can't really tell a lot of story in 10 minutes, and they don't try. Most of the story takes place in the apartment of one geeky guy, who owns both units. He's been upgrading his Combat-san, but since he doesn't have a lot of money, he's been buying unofficial after-market parts, and the upshot is that Combat-san's programming has been altered. She thinks she's supposed to hunt HoiHoi-san rather than insects.
The other aspect of the story is a girl named Kimiko, who works at a drugstore. In addition to all the normal stuff you'd expect a drugstore to carry, they also sell HoiHoi-san and Combat-san plus upgrades, and it's a significant part of their business. When HoiHoi-san first came out, Kimiko thought it was cute, and bought one. Next morning she had a shock.
Since then she's completely soured on the entire concept, and dies a little inside every time she sells one. Her friend Mutsumi comes to visit her to show off her units, wearing itty bitty yukata. Kimiko starts musing about a doll she'd owned when she was a kid. Mutsumi interrupts her; the units are gone.
Then they hear the sound of combat from a trashcan. Seems that her HoiHoi-san and Combat-san detected bugs in it and activated. Kimiko dies inside again.
UPDATE: No, it was a manga. There was discussion of making a full TV series, but they didn't do it, and apparently there was also early interest in making a game out of it, but that didn't happen either.
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The video was bundled with a special edition of the first manga collection (which sold out quickly). A number of 1:1 figures have been released for Hoihoi-san and Combat-san, and I keep meaning to buy at least one.
-j
Posted by: J Greely at December 15, 2010 01:26 PM (fpXGN)
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Like I said "If GONZO can make Strike Witches out of a toy line, surely better can be done about HoiHoi-san by anyone." Manga was very cute.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 15, 2010 01:54 PM (9KseV)
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Aah, memories... Yup, that was me, back in my "You say this thing hasn't been fansubbed? Sure, I've got a few free hours" days. I'd completely forgotten I'd ever subbed that thing.
I'm glad you got to see it. Fansubbing is a lot of hard and often thankless work, so knowing that somebody out there is watching what you did means a lot. It's by no means the next Evangelion or Gundam, but I hope it got a few smiles out of you.
Posted by: tellu541 at December 15, 2010 02:57 PM (pJ1uW)
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You seem to have triggered a flareup of my engineer's disease again. "That's seriously their most efficient bug killing method? What the hurk arghhhh‽"
Posted by: Jeremy Bowers at December 15, 2010 03:01 PM (icSLm)
The underlying plot line is that HoiHoi-san isn't cute. Cute is as cute does, and she doesn't act cute at all.
I half expected her to be spunky and energetic, a miniature genki-girl, kind of like Sumomo from Chobits, but her personality, such as it is, is more like Robocop.
They're not sapient. They don't actually talk out loud, and their faces never change. HoiHoi-san and Combat-san are killing machines. The incongruity of how they were made to look versus how they act is the primary source of comedy in the show, and it's the reason Kimiko hates them so much.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 15, 2010 06:43 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 15, 2010 06:47 PM (+rSRq)
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I am wondering about that. People were hacking on Furbies before. Perhaps in their world ACTA and DMCA are strictly enforced by the police state on the take of right holders carteil, so nobody can alter behaviour of their robots.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 15, 2010 07:09 PM (9KseV)
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Personally, I would be hesitant to alter the programming of an autonomous, armed robot that lived in my house. One "bug" and HoiHoi could decide that you were a pest in need of extermination.
For that matter, I sure wouldn't want one that could connect to the 'net... that would be a pernicious virus indeed.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at December 15, 2010 08:11 PM (pWQz4)
Apparently they didn't have any idea how to make a full show out of it either, which is why they gave up.
I'm curious about just what the manga did. How long was it, and what kind of story did it tell?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 16, 2010 12:23 AM (+rSRq)
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One completed volume, and an ongoing series. You can find it on scanalation sites, and it's even been translated and published here. The Amazon reviews make it sound like an episodic parody of consumer culture. I wonder if they work on bedbugs?
Posted by: muon at December 16, 2010 02:38 AM (JXm2R)
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If they work on bedbugs, then they are *totally* worth every last bit of creepy juxtaposition. Evil evil things. . .
Posted by: metaphysician at December 16, 2010 10:20 AM (OLeXB)
Anyway, a fun little show, which I am not going to bother refrigerating.
Posted by: refugee at December 16, 2010 10:43 PM (auErC)
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I think manga had a romance subplot with the robodoll geek hitting on Kimiko in the store, but she is being repulsed by his hobby, or something like that. I saw it in print at a club meeting a while ago.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 16, 2010 11:14 PM (9KseV)
I was reminded of Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventures by going through Ubu's review list, and since I don't really have a lot to blog about these days, I figured it would make a decent Mystery Meat post.
It's something of a standard mecha story, and in general I really don't like Mecha stories, so I figured I'd get one ep into it, give up, and then write a scathing put-down.
But you know what? It ain't half bad. I just finished ep 3, and I may even watch more of it.
It suffers from the same problem that the Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Ohki series (from the same author) did, in that it can't really make up its mind whether it is comedy or not. The first ep is loaded with scenes which I could tell were supposed to make me chuckle, though none of them did.
What actually caught me by surprise was the extent to which it seems to be ripping off Evangelion. In fact, at this point I'm tempted to say that it's a deliberate parody. But it could also be thought of as "Evangelion done right."
It isn't pretentious, for one thing. That's one really huge thing. And unlike Shinji, Kazuki is sympathetic and likeable. So far, little or no angst. And considering the spots of comedy that keep being interspersed with the action, I assume it'll stay that way.
There was one huge logic error that came out in ep 2.
Mitsuki was there when Kazuki got sent to the other universe, yet the Mitsuki who meets him there said she'd been there a month. Did she go through after him but arrive before? Or was it just a stupid writing mistake? Or a plot point which will get explained in time?
Anyway, other improvements: Gendo was repulsive, but Ken isn't. Rei was creepy, but D isn't, at least so far. Asuka was also repulsive, but Mitsuki isn't. In fact the only character we've seen so far who is even slightly repulsive is the UN inspector, and she's being played for laughs.
Kazuki's voice seemed familiar, so I looked it up. The same seiyuu did the voice of Kazuya in Hand Maid May. (He was also Arc in Petite Princess Yucie, and I never would have made that connection.)
The "bizarre loser of a guy who turns out to have an extraordinary skill with a mech that surprises everyone" trope is a common one: Vandread and Martian Successor Nadesico spring to mind. This is another. In this case they've taken it one step further: before Kazuki showed up, it was thought that only girls could run them. (That one is being recycled in an upcoming Winter series.)
The Ken character is being handled in an interesting way. The first Ken (which we only see in the first episode) is a mad scientist, a complete loonytune. The second Ken, in the alternate world, is still eccentric, but he's a lot more responsible, and even admirable. I think the reason the UN inspector is obnoxious is so that when Ken bedevils her (which he does a lot of) the audience is sympathetic to him, and likes him for it. It's certainly that way for me.
He's fun. He certainly isn't a flaming son-of-a-bitch like Gendo is. And in general, Dual leaves out all the horror which was the foundation of so much in Evangelion. For instance, D's background story isn't the nightmare that Rei's was.
The mechs look a lot like the mechs in Evangelion, though they don't drag around power cords. One is red, one is blue, and one is white, but they mixed some of the colors up. My memory of Eva is getting a bit dim, but it seems to me that Asuka was red, Shinji was blue, and Rei was white. In this one, Kazuki's got the white one and D is in the blue one.
Evangelion was supposed to challenge us, involve us, make us think, make us feel. For a lot of people all it made them feel was, "Why am I wasting my time on this drek?", or "Why is this director so full of himself?"
Dual doesn't have such high aspirations. It's just trying to entertain, with the huge benefit of all the winks to people who had seen Evangelion and weren't impressed by it. And that's fine with me, because I'm one of them.
I may well watch more of it. Haven't really decided yet.
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Shinji's was purple and Rei's was orange at first and blue later. The
white ones were the really, really creepy mass-production models...
I
still prefer RahXephon for my works-like-Eva fix, for reasons I won't
talk about 'coz this is a Dual thread, and because Steven would hate
RahX too (not for the same reasons as Eva, but for good and proper
reasons).
Biggest problem Dual had was coming out pretty close to
Eva, and being, well, really derivative of Eva. It didn't have the
(gaping) problems Eva had, but it didn't have a lot of the good bits
either, and the bits that it did have everybody had just gotten from
Eva... But it wasn't a BAD show.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at December 06, 2010 08:31 PM (pWQz4)
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I never did finish Dual, although I did read summaries of the later eps.
It is definitely a parody of Eva, but it is also quite confused. It tries to keep sort of the same feel as Tenchi, but it doesn't quite succeed, and the whole "harem" thing gets a bit silly for my tastes. I found that other than Mitsuki, I just couldn't really care about or identify with the characters, and she made it really tough at times.
The logic error is a plot point... sort of. Anything else gets spoilertagged.
Avatar, I concur with pretty much everything you said about all 3 series.
Personally, I don't see Evangelion as originally written as pretentious, so much as its turn-all-the-old-tropes-on-their-head-and-introduce-scores-of-new-ones bit has overly influenced a huge chunk of anime ever since, even if indirectly. That has retroactively made it... I dunno, passe?
Posted by: BigD at December 06, 2010 09:56 PM (LjWr8)
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It's definitely pretentious. It's packed chock full of references to things that the writers picked up out of a high school psych textbook, but aren't using correctly, with some Bible references for flavor.
I spent a few months redoing the script with a much more talented translator than the one who originally worked on the project. We made lots of improvements, but the casualty was our respect for the show...
RahXephon was a lot like that too, honestly. At one point we had two conflicting theories for what was actually going on, and sent a long request to the Japanese writers to find out which one of them was closer to what they had in mind; their response was basically "you're reasoning out things that were written for Rule of Cool". But at least they admitted it!
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at December 06, 2010 10:19 PM (mRjOr)
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The worst part of Dual for me was the way ending
didn't resolve anything. This sort of thing is usually done when overtaking manga, but there was no excuse here. Another common trope was
how one haremette is clearly superior in every respect, but for various dumb psychological or duty reasons the protag is unwilling to commit.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 06, 2010 10:46 PM (9KseV)
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Dual was definitely meant as a follow-up to Evangelion, and like RahXephon the intent was to capitalize on the mecha+harem+threat to world as we know it theme, but avoid the horrible mistakes Evangelion made. RahXephon tried to be deep and emotional and introduced some serious issues doing so. I understand a lot of people despise it, though I still like it myself, if you only watch the 'perfect' stuff you wont watch anything. But definitely not Steven's cup of tea. Dual doesn't even try to be serious, sometimes its a mecha show with a harem, and sometimes its a harem show with mecha. I've probably watched it as many times as I have RahXephon, and both of them are easily in my top ten for rewatch count.
Both the fact that Kazuki is able to pilot the mecha and the fact that he took a long time to transit between dimensions are in fact plot points that get developed later.
I would say that the middle of the series is the strongest part, it has the best stories to tell. At the end they kind of rush to explain things and bring things to a resolution, while at the same time it's pulling the "things are 10 times more dangerous than you thought, but that's OK because the hero is 20 times stronger!" shtick.
Posted by: David at December 06, 2010 11:11 PM (xcVNq)
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You guys are just going to get the tread locked again with RahXephon. I don't know about Steven, but for some reason commenters always get second-guessing of my tastes horribly wrong. And god forbid this is taken as a suggestion.
But I understand the attraction, I think. The RahXephon category at Ani-nouto is at 11 posts and Dual's is at 3. RahX is more meaningful and so on, there was just more to discuss in it. Funnily though, Dual was the fist or second category historically. I fondly remember it as a fun show (minus the ending as I mentioned, but then ending sucked in both, just in different ways).
I silently cried for Mitsuki II. She is also the place where the parallels with EVA break down.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 07, 2010 12:09 AM (9KseV)
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Dual is a fun little show, but it has a lot of faults. The biggest one was that I was never certain when it was about to turn serious, as opposed to silly. End of ep. 6 is one of those.
I disagree about the clearly superior haremette. Maybe by the end, but not at the beginning. There are some clearly inferior ones though. And it does get into Tenchi levels of silly, when it comes to making up excuses to put girls under the same roof.
I really don't buy the Evangelion parallels. I think it was some stylistic and art influence there, but that's the extent of it. If you're only to episode 3, it's hard to tell.
Oh, and about the UN inspector... heheheheheheheheh, I hope your copy includes the extra episode...
Posted by: ubu at December 07, 2010 12:32 AM (GfCSm)
Pete, that looks like a spoiler, but I'd already pretty much guessed it.
Ubu, it's 14 episodes. ??
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 07, 2010 01:34 AM (+rSRq)
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Yep, you got it then. Actually, now that I think about it, what is making me laugh is actually included at the end of 13, but there's a conversation about it in 14 between the principals. Huge spoiler though, so I'm not including it here..
It's not so much the very ending that's messed up as it is the lead up to it, and then the 14th episode (the extra) is an obvious bid for a continuation -- of something that doesn't really need to be continued.
Posted by: ubu at December 07, 2010 01:42 AM (GfCSm)
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This show sounds like a lot of fun. I saw it back when I was in HS, but I only remember it because it had one of the strangest DVD names of all time: "Dual: Student Housing."
Really makes you want to buy the show, doesn't it?
Posted by: tellu541 at December 07, 2010 05:02 AM (pJ1uW)
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Hahaha! I can remember exactly what prompted that title, too. Haven't seen that many harmettes under one roof since Tenchi. Well, technically, one of those roofs was next door, but not so's you'd know it after someone's little construction project finished. Building codes in alt-Japan must be a lot more lenient!
Posted by: ubu at December 07, 2010 12:12 PM (i7ZAU)
Well, you can't get more mysterious than naming something "X", can you? It's a horror title from CLAMP, the all-girl orchestra. Seems to be the sequel to, or culmination of, a TV series they did. Art and animation style looks like late 1990's.
The rip is awful. It's from an American DVD release, and it's letter-boxed, which means the theater-level graphics are reduced even more than usual. And whoever did the rip decided to store it in "ogm" format, using DIVX for the video codec. Between the minimal source and the compression, the result isn't very satisfying.
Not that it really affects things much. The animation isn't all that great even for TV, let alone for a theatrical release. Not impressive at all. Slow frame rates, lousy looking art, and everything is really dark.
I got 40 minutes into it, and decided I'd had enough of CLAMP's tricks. Dear CLAMP: making everything too dark to see doesn't equate to lots of atmosphere.
There's some sort of world-changing confrontation coming. 7 dragons of Earth will battle 7 dragons of Heaven, and the balance of power rests with a guy named Kamui. Whoever convinces him to join their side wins. Those dragons? Well, they're people, too, with special powers.
Kamui himself doesn't seem to want any part of this. His only interest is in protecting two childhood friends of his, a brother and sister.
At the beginning, one dragon from each side squares off in the middle of Tokyo. They toss energy blasts at each other, not very convincingly, and a building gets destroyed, and the dragon of Heaven is killed, leaving the balance 6-7.
For something so spectacular, you'd think CLAMP could keep my attention, wouldn't you? But I had the following two reactions: 1. Toriyama did this kind of story better. 2. Ikki Tousen: Dragon Destiny did it better, too.
It's a pretty poor show that can't even top Ikki Tousen in story telling, don't you think? But when the dragons show up and start fighting in the last ep of ITDD, they look better and the animation is more fluid, and in pretty much every way it's more interesting and fun. Even air-headed Hakufu is more interesting than CLAMP's pantheon here.
Heroic leads in the dark:
Supporting girl characters:
Which do you think is better looking? This is a visual medium -- you should make it so we can see things, even at night. (I wonder if CLAMP's manga was this difficult to see? I bet not.)
CLAMP virtually painted their "surprise" on the wall. All through the part I watched, it was blatantly obvious that the blue dragons, of Heaven, were supposed to be the good guys and the red dragons, of Earth, the bad guys. Which is why I figure it's better than even odds that the reverse is true.
But I figure it doesn't get resolved. That's my other bet. I figure it's better than even odds that the result of the final confrontation is "no game". It looks like it was supposed to end with a grand battle between Kamui and the male childhood friend, and I bet that in the end they stop fighting without either of them being hurt, let along killed. No decision is made, and the status quo continues.
What really got me fed up was that CLAMP was playing with the symbolism in pointless ways. It's spring, so cherry blossoms are de rigeur, right? Well, a few of them are floating around damned near everywhere we go, even in places where they make no sense. CLAMP thinks they mean something, presumably, but I sure don't know what -- and I don't care.
I just looked it up, and it seems that the movie came first, in 1996. The TV series is an "alternate retelling".
I didn't think CLAMP was this full of themselves as early as this. Later, yeah; Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles is one big demonstration of contempt for their audience. But back in 1996 I thought they were still trying to tell good stories.
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Problem with this movie is that they didn't have a whole lot of story to go on when they made it. The TV series did have more time and more story to work with, but I don't think that's your cup of tea either.
CLAMP never finished X, and I have a feeling that they never will. The TV series comes up with their own ending.
Posted by: BigFire at November 10, 2010 07:19 PM (jSRcl)
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I wonder if the blackness is a result of the lousy transfer and compression, rather than the original artistic intention?
Posted by: Boviate at November 10, 2010 07:37 PM (PJNgE)
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It's a very poor movie interpretation of a story that wasn't that great to start with.
It's possible to take a long-running manga and chop it down to movie size - Akira managed it, while still maintaining most of the good scenes, even if the character of the story changed a little. With X, though, it was just too short and had to pack in too many characters... and it couldn't tell a complete story because, as BigFire says, the manga hadn't really explained much by that point.
It's more or less impenetrable if you weren't already a follower of the series. None of the characters are presented in a way that allows a new viewer can make any kind of connection with them. Angst-service, more or less...
Your second bet, though, is amazingly far off the mark. The last scene isn't notably better than the rest, but the one thing you can't accuse it of is leaving the fight unresolved.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at November 10, 2010 09:13 PM (mRjOr)
Boviate, it's true that transfers can sometimes make things darker, but not like this. It's dark because the original was dark, because someone thought that was cool and atmospheric.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 10, 2010 11:19 PM (+rSRq)
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OK, Avatar, tell me how it ends (in spoiler tags). I am somewhat curious but definitely don't want to spend the time to watch it to find out.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 11, 2010 12:38 AM (+rSRq)
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Kamui's standing there cradling Fuuma's severed head. (Not glass-jar Daimaou style. No longer animate.)
Can't remember it in any more detail than that, which just goes to show how meh it was.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at November 11, 2010 03:52 AM (mRjOr)
"Dear CLAMP: making everything too dark to see doesn't equate to lots of atmosphere."
Lots of people seem to think you're wrong. Like the people who do Stargate: Universe, to whom I'd just like to say TURN ON A FEW DARN LIGHTS!
Posted by: RickC at November 11, 2010 06:25 AM (1weMr)
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My great regret is that I will never get the hour of my life back. Also, I watched X on celluloid film, rushed overnight from Japan, no less. The waste was so sad.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at November 11, 2010 07:48 AM (3GiIY)
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I'd blame the "dark" pictures on no/wrongly-applied gamma correction during the initial transfer. Pictures that look good on a theater screen can turn to mud on video if the gamma isn't fixed, and for best results the correction should be adjusted shot-by-shot.
In the captures that you've posted, the darker ones have no luminance values above about 50%. Even if you "turn up the brightness" so that maximum luminance=FFFFFF (but leaving minimum at 000000) the backgrounds remain effectively "black" on my monitor unless the gamma is tweaked also... the transfer has to get brighter "faster" than the original film image. Conversely, if the gamma is right the absolute brightness isn't as much of a factor... important when the scene has to be "dark" for artistic reasons.
A friend who works with reissues at Paramount used to gripe about the reverse problem (until they got it fixed): Often their early Technicolor stuff would come back from the transfer process "looking like it had been lit for television," i.e., cold, bright, and flat.
Posted by: Old Grouch at November 11, 2010 09:22 AM (k8zOE)
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Well, taking these off the "watch someday when all else has failed" list.
Posted by: bkw at November 11, 2010 12:33 PM (34O+x)
The one with the dragons is probably the most eco-nihilistic shows I've ever seen.
One group of superhumans/dragons view mankind as a plague upon Gia and want to eliminate it. The other group of superhumans/dragons want to protect mankind. After a whole bunch of emo crap all the pretty people die except for the main protagonist. I think humanity is saved though the city is destroyed.
Posted by: TBlakely at November 11, 2010 10:08 PM (S3uDg)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 11, 2010 11:56 PM (+rSRq)
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CLAMP said at that period they were mad about the environment, Chernobyl in particular. (In the precursor series, Tokyo Babylon, the villain even mentions it, saying the western nuke plants weren't any safer (wrong). He's the one fighting with TB's protagonist, Subaru Sumeragi, in the beginning of the X movie.) The funny thing is that one of the Dragons of the Earth gets her power from using a supercomputer (Beast-chan).
Posted by: muon at November 13, 2010 03:23 AM (kzJXl)
I wanted to call Shukufuku no Campanella "the Bishie and the seven Babes". Or maybe "the seven Bimbos". But in fact I'm not really clear on just how many babes there are. It keeps changing, for one thing, and it depends on who you include. (And some of them aren't bimbos.)
Shelley, for example, is definitely a babe. But she's also Leicester's mother, him being the bishie. Or should Carina's mom be included? How about Nina, the servant? (Who is also the narrator?) Or Garnet, the dragon avatar?
The focus of the series is The Oasis, which is the HQ for what amounts to an adventurer's guild. The guild master is Carina, who also happens to be the daughter of the Duke of the city this all happens in. She's head-over-heels for Leicester, and she's not the only one.
There's the comic-relief twin girls who live across the street and work for what seems to be a rival guild called "Tortilla company". One of them is named Salsa Tortilla, and you can tell just how serious this all is from that name. Both of them are hung up on him, too, but at the same time they're constantly trying (and failing) to compete with the Oasis.
This is the town square. (I think we need to work on that name, don't you?) It's where we first meet Agnes, who is a street performer and puppeteer. She gets invited to stay at the Oasis, and eventually becomes a (temporary?) member of the guild. That description of her (puppeteer) is deceptive. She is a top master at creating "automatons", magically-powered devices which can move and operate on their own and can even think and speak. It is, in a sense, a kind of magic and Agnes, while not being very powerful, is very skilled at it.
Her best creation is a cat named Tango but she has several others. They star in her puppet show when she needs money. When they run out of power, automatons have to "sleep", which is to say they deactivate and recharge. From where they recharge hasn't really been discussed. But it's possible that Agnes' automaton recharge from Agnes herself; I offer that suspicion because Agnes seems to eat quite a lot more than you'd think a girl like her would.
And there's Minette, the greatest creation of the master that Agnes studied under, name of Mize Altowirz. Minette has been sleeping inside the spire at the local cathedral since a long time.
Once every 7 years there's a spectacular meteor shower. They call it that, but they aren't really meteors. Instead, they're balls of "ale", which in another setting might be referred to as "mana". It's the stuff of magic.
It's quite a show, and the town has a tradition of holding a festival on that day, and everyone going out at night to watch it happen.
Our folks, being well connected, get permission to watch it from the top of the cathedral, the highest point in the city. One huge ball of ale flies past them and strikes the spire, which then shows a residual glow.
Leicester runs down-and-up to get to the spire and finds that the glow is behind a large pair of doors he didn't know about. Opening them, he finds a girl laying in a bed. She wakes as he walks up to her and calls him "Papa" and glomps him.
That's Minette, and it turns out she's an automaton. And it seems that the older generation of the Oasis guild knew she was there. They are friends of Mize Altowirz. They weren't sure when or how Minette would awaken, but now that she has, she's going to be cared for by the Oasis guild. (Shelley, Leicester's mother, seems to have expected it to happen that night, or at least she wasn't in the slightest surprised when it did.)
And, it turns out, Minette is going to accompany Leicester whenever he joins an adventuring party, which happens for the first time in the second episode. Minette isn't just an extraordinary automaton, she also contains the Anima Pearl, a creation of the Dragon race, and it gives her exceptional power to control and tame ale (aka mana).
Agnes, Leicester, Chelsea, Minette, Carina
Carina-sama, guildmaster and Duke's daughter, also happens to be a top sorceress. Her position in the guild isn't only due to nepotism. And in as much as Agnes is a top expert in automata and best student of Mize Altowirz, she gets invited to stay with them while they figure out Minette.
I've skipped a few characters (frankly, they're a bit hard to keep straight) but the whole show seems light-hearted and really something of a trifle. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns dark at the end but I also won't be surprised if it doesn't. For the time being it's mostly (mild) fan service, special effects, and lots of girls competing for Leicester's attention.
The Tortilla twins, Agnes, Minette, Chelsea, and I don't remember who the one on the right is. And that's not even all of them.
His presence in the guild is mainly because his parents are both respected members. Whether he'd qualify absent that is less clear. Seems his ability is in creating machines of various kinds. We hear about an automatic dish washer, and we see him use some sort of gun he created. And as of now, he is master of Minette, whose abilities likely will turn out to be a major asset to the guild. But it would be nice if he turned out to have something to offer besides good looks, a kind disposition, the occasional gimcrack, and a powerful pet.
This show isn't very weighty, but at least through the second episode it was an enjoyable way to spend an hour.
If any of them had turned out to be tsundere, I probably would have bagged the show immediately. But I stuck it out through 2 mainly because I wanted to find out what the deal was with the magical girl. There had to be more to her than just the fact that she was a particulary-well-created automaton (aka android). I also wanted to see what, if anything, the bishie could do in combat.
I can't say I'm really tempted to watch any more of it. It isn't pullling on me the way some shows have.
Once it's finished, I might jump in and watch the last ep or two just to see how it comes out. Or read what Aroduc says about the last couple of episodes, just to save some time.
Cute shapely girls? Check. High kicks with flouncy skirts revealing white panties? Yup. The Most Common Special Attack? You betcha. Nipples? Yes, we have nipples.
I think we've got classic here. Or not, as the case may be.
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Replacing the MOS Burger logo with a yellow M and changing one crucial letter makes for a fun one, yes. However, that nattou-onion burger in the front of the stack means I would never want to eat there.
-j
Posted by: J Greely at August 12, 2010 08:42 PM (2XtN5)
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Japan's version of McDonald's, with some appropriate menu items (seafood-based burgers, rice-based buns... probably not a natto burger, but you never know.)
I think they're still outsold by McDonald's, though, which is probably why you see more yellow-M-logo burger joints in anime than red-M-logo ones.  (Or maybe they all planning for foreign licensing, and know the yellow-M reference works worldwide.)
Posted by: Mikeski at August 13, 2010 03:38 AM (GbSQF)
Today's Mystery Meat is Makai Senki Disgaea. I downloaded it because Etna looks like Agito in Nanoha SlayerS and I wanted to know if the characters were at all alike. (They're not.)
This series is loosely based on a video game, and I gather it tries to tell about the same story. I don't know what kind of tone the game sets, but the anime is pretty much purely a comedy.
Here are our main characters. On the left is Laharl, son of the king of Netherworld. (It's makai, "kingdom of demons", but everyone seems to translate it as "Netherworld" and that's fine with me.)
On the right is Etna, another demon. She was a servant of the king, and now serves Laharl. She isn't totally trustworthy.
And in the middle, there's Flonne. She's an angel. She wears a powerful amulet that allows her to stay in Netherworld and operate normally.
The series begins with Flonne. She's been sent to Netherworld to find the king and kill him. She finally locates a large crypt, or something like that, and inside she accidentally falls through the floor and ends up in a garbage pit, where there is also a coffin which bears the king's sigil on the front.
Thinking that the king is sealed inside, she uses various attacks (including a 4-barrel rocket launcher that she conjures up somehow) and eventually manages to break a hole in the case.
It doesn't contain the king. Laharl is inside it. He started taking a nap about two years previously and someone sealed him inside that coffin. How it ended up in the garbage isn't explained.
Once Flonne finds out who he is, she apologizes for attacking him, because he isn't the one she's after.
They both manage to get back up to ground level. As Laharl tries to exit, two statues of ogres by the door come to life and attack him. He tries to fight, but his body doesn't move the way he's used to and his power isn't fully there. (Eventually they learn that he's been poisoned. Flonne cures him, and then he can fight the way he's supposed to, but that's a bit later.)
Things are looking bad, and then a spaceship (!) crashes through the roof of the place, and some clown named "Captain Gordon" (presumably a take on Flash) comes out, accompanied by a gorgeous babe named Jennifer and a Robbie-the-Robot clone named Thursday.
And then it starts to get silly. (Ahem.)
Flonne tries to talk to Laharl about kindness and love and caring and he says those things have no place in the life of a demon. They discover that the king has been dead since shortly after Laharl began his nap.
But the king didn't die gloriously. He wasn't assassinated. Turns out he choked to death on a meat bun.
So since Laharl wasn't around, then a whole swarm of folks have tried to proclaim themselves as the new king. Laharl sets off on a quest to defeat them all and to become king himself.
And he tries to be heartless and uncaring, but somehow a hint of goodness begins to peek through. Flonne spends a couple of turns alternating between protecting him from others and trying to kill him herself, all the while dying because she'd lost the amulet. Via circuitous routes the amulet makes its way back to her, but is nearly destroyed except for Laharl saving it. He then gives it back to her.
So she becomes his servant and traveling companion.
Etna shows up at one point and declares herself to be his servant, as she was for the king before him. But she's actually plotting to become king (queen?) herself and has plots and plans to get him killed.
And then we spend several episodes running around fighting against various people trying to kill Laharl for a 10 million Hell (a unit of money) reward that's been placed on his head, and various people who have declared themselves king or hope to do so.
I watched through ep 5 (of 12) and was decreasingly entertained by it as it went along. The first episode is brilliant, but it started to get in a rut by ep 5. And after I stopped watching it, suddenly I had a flash and figured out the story. Maybe.
The king isn't really dead. In fact, he changed sides. He's in heaven, under an assumed name, and he's the one who sent Flonne.
Or at least, that's what I expect it to be. I think I'm going to watch the last episode to find out, but I doubt I'll watch any of the rest of it. In the end it's a two-joke pony, and I gather its main reason for being was to pimp the game.
Recommended? Mixed. It's not crap. But it's far from being the best thing out there. The biggest recommendation for the series is that Laharl has the same seiyuu as Yuuno Scrya, and I love her voice. This role gives her more opportunity to stretch.
But the story itself is a meh.
UPDATE: I was completely wrong about how it was going to end. Very strange.
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Oddly enough the series came out well after the game. I enjoyed the game's plot, but it wasn't enough to build an anime series off of without a lot of filler, so I passed on the anime. The game itself contains a lot of filler, so it's not too surprising.
One of the ever-unsolvable problems with translating a video game to a series is how to pad out the plot to make a series, and I don't ever think anyone has solved that problem elegantly.
Posted by: Civilis at August 10, 2010 06:07 PM (ZhVNO)
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Movies made from video games are cursed. Prince of Persia may be the closest thing to a real success, and it started with a fairly cinematic property.
Is the same true with anime made from video games? Are there any truly good ones, where the anime was made in response to the game, and not the other way around or as a tie-in?
Posted by: BigD at August 10, 2010 11:05 PM (LjWr8)
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Some of the dating-sim type games have been made into successful anime, in fact it's often surprising to know which anime are based off of dating sims. While I'm not a fan of the series, a lot of people seem to like Kanon, Air and Clannad, for example. Though given a lot of these dating sims are basically 'visual novels', turning them into an anime isn't much of a stretch.
Disgaea is a turn-based tactical RPG (for the usual video game definition of RPG), where the plot, though enjoyable to me, is pretty much tacked on to the mechanics. More gameplay-centered games seem to have a much harder time being turned into non-interactive media of any type.
Posted by: Civilis at August 11, 2010 01:57 AM (/MsTf)
I myself wasn't interested in it, but Kanon in its anime manifestation got huge ratings.
It's even stranger when you talk about H-game conversions. Those are all over the map. Popotan was a lot better than it had any right to be. Yumeria was just sillly. Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru is legendarily aweful.
5Fate/Stay Night, a show that'd be on my Top 10 Anime list (though towards the bottom), was based on an adult visual novel. Surprised the heck outta me when I found that out.
Posted by: Wonderduck at August 11, 2010 04:59 AM (iJfPN)
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You know, if I sort by rank in my database, there aren't many game-based anime at the top. To Heart, ef, F/SN, and that's about it.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at August 11, 2010 06:05 AM (/ppBw)
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If I remember correctly, the very good series Petite Princess Yucie is based on a game called Princess Maker.
Posted by: Don at August 11, 2010 06:32 AM (M0Ixe)
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The game's plot is basically a self-aware takeoff on Anime tropes; in between every "chapter" of the game, Etna gives what is claimed to be a plot summary of the next chapter which is almost always utterly wrong and is just a rundown of the tropes: Giant monster, space robot, cooking show (of all things), etc. The plot is basically irrelevant to the gameplay, so it doesn't matter what it is.
For example, in Disgaea 2, in which Laharl is not the main character, Laharl shows up in an optional battle after the main game finishes and battles the player for the right to become the main character. You're even allowed to let him, in which case your game ends, what with you not being the main character anymore. This is the sort of humor the series has. Good game, though, if you like that sort of thing, in some ways the ultimate expression of a certain type of tactical fighting game.
Making an actual anime out of it is like when the Wayans brothers made a parody of Scream. You're starting so far in the hole the miracle is that you made it to episode 5.
Posted by: Jeremy Bowers at August 11, 2010 07:04 AM (icSLm)
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If I were to do an anime adaptation of a NIS game, I'd favor one of their more dramatic titles, like La Pucelle or Phantom Brave.
( or if you want something *really* dark, Soul Nomad. . . )
Posted by: metaphysician at August 11, 2010 09:57 AM (OLeXB)
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I enjoyed the first Disgaea game thoroughly. The designers had obviously seen people playing Final Fantasy Tactics, and spending a lot of extra time to come up with a really powerful combat team, and said to themselves "let's turn that dial up to 11... million." Max level of 9999, the ability to reincarnate your character, leveling weapons, armor, and even consumable items through a series of "item world" dungeons, stacking up ridiculous levels of "specialist" bonuses... Don't get me wrong, the base mechanics were pretty solid too, but the game really shined in its ability to let you go nuts.
I didn't stop playing until, at the bottom of a level 100 legendary Item World, with the difficulty set to max (this done by ramming a series of bills through a Demonic Congress, either through persuasion, bribery, or main force), my Laharl character took a shot from the Item God 2 - literally the most powerful NPC character the game could possibly spawn - from which he took 0 damage, and immediately counterattacked for a number the game expressed in scientific notation, one-shotting the poor guy. (Did I have a girlfriend at the time? No! ;p)
I also enjoyed Disgaea 3 a lot - it's got a lot of the same setup (you're still the Son of Satan-ish anti-hero, treacherous sidekick, and a lot of the game mechanics are the same), but the addition of the school environment gives it a whole new set of tropes to play on, usually with good success. And the theme song! But once I beat it, I didn't go on to lol-level characters or beat the super-secret-insane challenges. Been there, done that, maybe? I'm regretting it a little, since supposedly they really put a lot more effort into them this time...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 11, 2010 10:17 AM (mRjOr)
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Also a big NIS fan here, though not so much recently. Ironically, I managed to get decently leveled characters *because* I have a girlfriend. . . who loves the game and can level it for hours.
I'm not sure its as direct a derivative of Final Fantasy Tactics as you, though. I suspect there was at least one degree of intermediary influence. Particularly since I *think* the first game in the 'series', Rhapsody, predated Tactics.
Posted by: metaphysician at August 11, 2010 05:45 PM (OLeXB)
A while back I downloaded the first 8 episodes of Marie & Gali but never got around to watching them until tonight.
It reminds me a bit of Fractured Fairy Tales. It has something of the same surreal feel, though of course it's not telling the same kind of story. And at 5 minutes per ep, they're about the same length.
Marika is a middle school girl who wears GothLoli fashions. She made a stuffed animal for herself that she calls "Pet". She's an OK student, but just looking at a science text book makes her zone out. One time when that happens, she awakens on a rather odd trolly, and is amazed to see that Pet has somehow come alive.
She's met by a strange man, one Galileo Galilee, whom she ends up calling Gali. In the second ep she gets a room at a rooming house run by Marie Curie. We also variously meet Heinrich Hertz, Leonardo Da Vinci, Archimedes, Newton, and other heroes of science. What she wants, though, is to go home. Eventually she finds out that she can only do that if she learns to love science.
Marika, Galileo, Marie Curie
That was ep 8, which is all that I have. I'm going to download more of it, though.
The art style is amazing. The frame rate isn't high, but the images are gorgeous, if highly stylized, and they have a lot of fun with camera angles.
There are in-jokes, too. Marie Curie's seiyuu is Nozawa Masako, who is more famous as the voice of Son Goku in DBZ. In the 8th episode of Marie & Gali she does a variant Kamehameha which launches a radioactive pickle at Galileo.
There isn't any fan service; it's not that kind of show. But there is comedic violence. Marika and Marie both tend to beat up Galileo, and some of the other characters have at him at certain times, too.
I'm not sure that the Gods of Science will forgive them for what they did to Isaac Newton, though. (Newton was a lot of things, but he wasn't bishounen!) Leaving that aside, it's all quite fun, and visually amazing.
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Looks interesting. I was only able to find 1-5 and 9.5-14 online, though.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 24, 2010 01:13 AM (PiXy!)
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I thought that it seemed pretty interesting too, but I'm one of those people who likes to wait until there's a big chunk (or all of the show) available because the group subtitling it hasn't been that consistent. So I'll probably end up watching it in a few "normal" episode-sized chunks.
Posted by: Jessi at July 24, 2010 04:02 AM (Xt7yj)
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In fact, the whole first season is already out on DVD. I jusst downloaded raws of the whole thing. It doesn't seem to have attracted the attention of any major fansub group, but now someone called Wasurenai is crawling slowly through it. At the rate they're going it should be done by Christmas.
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I actually did download that raw batch a while ago, thinking "maybe..." but now that there's someone actually chipping away at it, I'll let them do the dirty work so that I don't have to (not that I have any time anyway, or know where my Japanese dictionaries are).
Posted by: Jessi at July 24, 2010 06:30 PM (Xt7yj)
I think I downloaded Battle Programmer Shirase because the name was wonderful. But it's been sitting on my server unwatched for several months now. And having nothing else to write about now, I decided it was time for another installment of Mystery Meat.
Shirase is the uber-nerd. He's so laid back he's nearly comatose. He's living in a tiny apartment behind the house where his... niece... lives. She's actually older than he is, by quite a lot. He seems to be in his 20's. His niece has a daughter who is in high school. Her name is Misao, and she calls him Onii-chan. She's got a key to his apartment, and she shows up a lot and cooks for him.
Shirase is legendary in certain circles as being the best hacker alive. He's known as BPS, Battle Programmer Shirase.
At the beginning of the show, someone hacks the delivery system for BHL (a take on DHL) and gets a supercomputer going through SeaTac delivered to his home in Portland OR. (I didn't do it! You can't prove anything!)
The computer belonged to an electronics company in Japan who had, at one point, made a certain model of PC but cancelled it. Our bad guy (who is fat and obviously has never had a girl friend) sends a rather incoherent blackmail letter demanding that they begin to make that PC again.
A nervous salaryman seeks out Shirase, asking for his help to stop the bad guy. Shirase eventually agrees. They're in a cab heading towards the company HQ, when there are a couple of huge explosions on the building.
So Shirase borrows the salaryman's cell phone and takes the bastard on, by remotely controlling the server in his own apartment. Then we get cuts between Shirase and the bad guy as the battle goes into full gear, with an occasional flash to the salaryman showing that he doesn't at all understand what's happening.
There's nothing serious about this show; it's a 5-ep OVA and it's all comedy and satire. But whoever did it clearly has known real programmers. These three pictures, of Shirase's apartment, are more than enough to prove it:
And here's the nerd and his great-niece:
Anyway, that apartment is instantly recognizable: cardboard boxes, girly magazines, anime posters, more computer equipment than any normal person would ever own, and Jolt Cola. Homo Nerdus in his natural habitat.
I really enjoyed this, in part because it's about me and people I've known. My place doesn't look like that any more, but in the past I've lived like that. I'm looking forward to watching the rest of it.
UPDATE: Well... I've lived like that except for the cute girl coming around to cook for me. (sob)
UPDATE: That's interesting. ANN says it was 15 12-minute episodes. What I've got is 5 30-minute episodes, and no indication of a break in the middle.
UPDATE: I'm watching ep 2, and I was wrong. The great niece is in grade school.
UPDATE: Finished.
Only it isn't. It feels like the introduction to a longer story. In fact, it feels like a prequel. The other series, the 15 12-minute episodes that ANN described, I wonder if they pick up from here?
The first episode was all broad humor, but it gets more serious, and they start laying out back story.
I did enjoy it and I'm glad I watched, though there was one running joke I could have done without. There was a different running joke that I didn't understand, probably a cultural reference I don't know about:
In each of the five episodes Shirase deals with some person-of-authority, and every one of them is named Akidzuki, even though they are not apparently related.
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I remember back when I was 16, I drank a two-liter bottle of Jolt during a three or four hour gaming session. By the end of it, I was quivering enough to turn pencils into sawdust with just the touch of a wingtip.
Even though I was young and stupid, I remember thinking that such power should not be in the hands of mere mortals.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 18, 2010 12:20 AM (iJfPN)
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I don't think I've ever had soda made with HFCS. In Australia, it's all cane sugar. That's what Queensland's for.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 18, 2010 03:21 AM (PiXy!)
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Honestly, Jolt's real kick doesn't come from the caffeine (it's still only, say, a third as caffeinated as a glass of tea). It's also got that much more sugar in it, and when you're young and susceptible to sugar rushes...
It doesn't taste that great, though. Not as good as Dr. Pepper (even the DIET Dr. Pepper tastes better these days).
Though Dr. Pepper with cane sugar instead of HFCS is quite nice indeed...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at July 18, 2010 10:00 AM (mRjOr)
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I tried Jolt when it first came out, and rejected it for poor taste. Drinking two sodas that tasted good was a more effective method of caffeine acquisition than drinking one Jolt.
-j
Posted by: J Greely at July 18, 2010 10:39 AM (2XtN5)
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The other iconic highly-caffeinated soft drink is Mountain Dew, which IIRC is grapefruit flavored.
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Squirt is the only one I know of that's grapefruit-ish in origin. I'd say that Mountain Dew is Mello Yello-flavored.
(and I think my second-greatest culture shock in moving to Silicon Valley was the discovery that Mello Yello wasn't available)
-j
Posted by: J Greely at July 18, 2010 10:49 PM (2XtN5)
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I haven't had Jolt in years (I don't recall seeing it in South Carolina, Tampa, or Texas, although if someone wants to tell me where to find it in Dallas I'll go looking) but if I remember correctly it tastes similar to RC Cola. It is somewhat of an acquired taste. I remember the first sip I ever had: it was like a mild Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster. You really notice that *kick* to the back of the throat.
Posted by: RickC at July 19, 2010 01:08 PM (qgE3i)