August 25, 2015
I am finding Lelei to be the most interesting character in this series, and I'm getting more and more impressed with her. She's 15 years old, but she's really intelligent and she's very resourceful. Her magic power hasn't really been unleashed yet in the anime, but it has in the manga and she's no slouch. LOADS of spoilers below the fold, OK?more...
Keep in mind that in the anime, Lelei learned how to properly wear and use a MOPP suit, while she was starting to learn Japanese. Aside from the obvious issue (Where did she get a MOPP suit in her size?!?), that requires intelligence and good observation skills, especially if you can not read the instructions to do so.
One thing that can really help with the hearts and minds mission for the JSDF is providing basic medical and sanitary treatments. There is nothing that can win gratitude faster than being able to treating a sick and/or injured child...
Posted by: cxt217 at August 25, 2015 09:34 PM (gbKL5)
Lelei isn't really any shorter than Kuribayashi, and the JSDF would have to stock MOPP suits in sizes to fit women the size of Kuribayashi.
What's more interesting to me is how Lelei even learned that such things exist. If I had to retcon it, I'd guess that she was talking to Kurokawa and complaining about the stink, and Kurokawa then told her about those suits. And by that point Lelei is already in enough with the JSDF to be able to get one loaned to her.
Later on, it wouldn't surprise me if she used the Collective's money to buy several of them, since they were going to be used nearly every day for months.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 25, 2015 09:57 PM (+rSRq)
There are all kinds of things that could potentially be sold on the other side which are cheap and common here.
Sugar, for instance. If their technology is what it seems to be, the only source of natural sweetener available to them would be honey -- assuming they have the equivalent of honey bees there. (That was all the Romans had, and there wasn't very much of it. So the rich people relied on something they called "Lead Sugar", which turns out to be lead acetate. Supposedly it does taste sweet. But of course it's also is poisonous, and it's believed to be part of why Caligula went insane. He was very fond of the stuff and ate a lot of it.)
Condiments like mustard and soy sauce should go well. (We see mustard being used in one scene.)
The nice thing about that kind of goods is that it's so cheap here that the markup would be titanic (50:1? more?).
Bulk spices should be very valuable. Black pepper, in particular, but that's not all by any means. (Curry powder, anyone?)
Balsamic Vinegar? (the real stuff, not the crap they sell in my grocery store)
I can see an increasing trade in tea, too. Some of these kinds of things would start small; with samples being given (!) to merchants to take to their rich clients to test. And if the rich-but-stupid ask for more, then the merchants would send word back to the Collective, and it would go into the next order back to Japan.
We have better metals and alloys than anything they could ever have. I can see a case of kitchen knives selling well.
I suspect that almost any kind of top quality liquor could find a market, not just brandy. Scotch, Tequila, Bourbon... And liquers like Cointreau and Amaretto.
The possibilities are virtually endless.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 25, 2015 10:27 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: CatCube at August 25, 2015 10:29 PM (fa4fh)
No, I suspect salt would not be worth hauling through the gate; I doubt the markup would be anything like as high as for some of the other stuff.
The Quartermaster isn't going to let the Collective take over all the capacity; they'll be rationed, and the Collective will want to prioritize extremely valuable goods over the merely expensive ones. (And I doubt salt would even rise to that level.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 25, 2015 10:41 PM (+rSRq)
Truly, finer words have never been spoken.
Posted by: Wonderduck at August 26, 2015 12:01 AM (jGQR+)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 26, 2015 12:27 AM (qxzj1)
Well, I didn't originally think so but looking at it again you might be right.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 26, 2015 01:08 AM (+rSRq)
But possibly not on the dangerous level. Oh, sure, in a direct confrontation Rory mops the floor with anyone else we've seen so far. But Lelei with a physics textbook is -scary-, because her magic is actually pretty flexible... and gets stronger the more she understands about the world.
On the topic of trade. The major question is this - are more gates possible? If so, then a real bulk trade of commodities will probably come into being eventually. If not, then at some point the traffic through the Gate will be completely dominated by Japan-side traffic. (Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Empire is not a really big customer, and their economic system is toast in the medium term - it simply won't be permitted to continue. Either Japan will be forced to step aside for American-and-other troops to end it, or Japan will end it by themselves in order to preempt such an action. That said, the wealth difference is so great that maybe, just maybe, some kind of compensated manumission might be possible?)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 26, 2015 02:48 AM (qxzj1)
The trade balance across the gate is going to depend a lot on what the Empire and the surrounding kingdoms have, and there are a lot of options that may not have occurred on screen that I'm sure people in universe would be thinking of. Oil might not be worth the price to extract unless Japan gets embargoed, but keep in mind that there may be some which is easy to extract. Likewise, rare earth metals, if easily extracted, could be valuable enough on Earth to ship.
Then there's the fantasy stuff. We've seen what dragon scales can do, and super light / tough material has a lot of applications; if they can't be synthesized on Earth, it might definitely be worth it to farm them, even with the obvious danger. Are there fantasy metals like mithril, and if so, what properties do they have?
Then there's magic. Combat magic may be obsolete in the Empire, but what else can magic do? A while back, I was chatting with a couple of veteran RPG players and the subject of the utility of magic in the real world, and a lot of the non-combat D&D stuff is potentially incredibly valuable even with modern technology. To use simple examples, you could give farms double the yield and protect them from pests without fertilizer or pesticide or instantly cure someone of any disease.
Posted by: Civilis at August 26, 2015 06:52 AM (UkqiM)
As smart and savvy as she is, she's probably realized the potential economic dislocations inherent to the situation. A way to ameliorate that for a while is to mark up luxury goods to around normal prices, a bit above normal for things superior like Earth cloth and sufficiently novel like spirits, a bit below for various spices that are identical but a lot cheaper from Earth.
While that'll be a sink for local currency, the collective and the JSDF can put some of it to good use back into the local economy. Someone from Japan who knows his fairly recent history might mention it to her, or she ought to be reading it in due course (is it safe to assume she's working on her written Japanese?), see e.g. Sakoku(鎖国, "locked country") and Tokugawa coinage.
Posted by: hga at August 26, 2015 06:53 AM (yPwiB)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 26, 2015 07:07 AM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Will at August 26, 2015 09:55 AM (lGJcR)
What I find interesting is her attempt to unify the science/technology aspects she's been learning from the JSDF with what she knows of the local magic. God forbid she ever catch wind of nuclear physics.
You can have plenty of knowledge and skill, but unless you also have the infrastructure to utilize it, you are not going to do much. Right now, nuclear physics would be answer Lelei's quest for knowledge, but it would hardly be practical or even usable for most things she is doing. Unless the JSDF want to kickstart the industrial revolution in the fantasy world, there will be limits to how much Lelei or anyone from the fantasy world can use with the knowledge they learned.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 26, 2015 12:01 PM (gbKL5)
Posted by: Siergen at August 26, 2015 12:49 PM (4pDXl)
Posted by: cxt217 at August 26, 2015 01:11 PM (gbKL5)
Centrifuge to laboriously separate U-235 from U-238? Nah, just cast a spell so the 235 goes to the top of the can and the 238 to the bottom. Done!
Granted that actually setting off a nuke via magic would be a completely different issue (also, er, Lelei hasn't demonstrated the kind of range that would make that even remotely a good idea...)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 26, 2015 01:31 PM (qxzj1)
I'm going to work in D&D terms, because that's the complete fantasy magic system I have on hand (Well, Pathfinder, aka D&D 3.75). Start with a 5th level cleric, who can cast Contagion, which inflicts a disease on the target individual. Give the cleric (an evil cleric, obviously) knowledge of some Earth diseases to inflict, say, Ebola. Way more destructive than a nuke, even if it takes a while longer. The cleric, even being in contact with patient zero, can likely keep themselves disease free (and likely knows how to do so, since they've read the Earth epidemiology textbook).
Alternatively, if you want chemical warfare, there's the villain in Order of the Stick that's able to summon Chlorine elementals...
Posted by: Civilis at August 26, 2015 01:44 PM (KlrGc)
Given: a bag of holding, defined as a device that creates a tiny pocket universe for each item placed into it. Add a magic user with the ability to summon up to a few kilograms of any material he sufficiently understands and a good physics text.
Result: a bag of holding containing a few kilograms of anti hydrogen delivered as tribute to the big bad.
Posted by: David at August 26, 2015 02:02 PM (+TPAa)
The best D&D campaign I've ever been in lasted for five years, and we never got above 4th level. First edition, no less. None of this triple-class, half-elf half-leprechaun half-beholder crap... four humans and one dwarf. At one point, we helped a small town fight off a raid by goblins being led by a handful of hobgoblins. It was glorious. It was thrilling. It was a slaughter. The town burned, and while the party all survived, it was a near thing.
None of this "10 pounds of antimatter in a bag of holding" stuff! Fighting a God? Hell, we had problems fighting Doug, the town drunk.
Posted by: Wonderduck at August 26, 2015 03:03 PM (jGQR+)
If she gets her hands on a physics or chemistry book and starts understanding matter and the universe at an advanced level, with the ability to manipulate it all directly with magic, she'll be really dangerous.
Posted by: Will at August 26, 2015 04:29 PM (lGJcR)
She's already really dangerous. Lindonite mages have a reputation like that, which is why Pina was freaked to see Lelei step out of the car at Italica. Then Tuka, which was even more freaky, and then Rory, which was the icing on the cake.
But Lelei herself is recognizable as a Lindonite mage because of the staff she carries (according to Pina) and the Lindonite school is about using magic in combat.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 26, 2015 06:22 PM (+rSRq)
But she has the potential to become dangerous on a strategic level. Battle magic's not used much because of inherent limitations on the power - it's just not that effective to try to will phlogiston into existence and set it on fire. By using magic that's more congruent with reality, as it were, she can get a bigger result out of a smaller change. Forget nukes for a second - using magic to change refraction a little bit, couldn't you make a burning lens of pretty magnificent size? That sort of thing.
Another comment on trade. It's true that "charging whatever the market will bear" is a good idea. At the same time, it also opens up opportunities for arbitrage. If you're charging a 100x markup for your spices, couldn't you ask a soldier to run a sack through on his next trip for only a 30x markup? Even if you've got to give him a big bribe on top of that, you're still making out like a bandit compared to PX Industries. So when it comes to pricing, it's best to keep levels from getting sufficiently high up that merchants are better off going outside your semi-official channel and onto the black market, as it were.
In the long run (and ignoring what happens when the Empire folds up), they'll do much better if they keep prices high enough for a tasty profit, but low enough that it's not worth it to try to deal with individual JSDF members. Once that channel gets opened, closing it would take a lot of work...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 26, 2015 09:46 PM (pWQz4)
Don't forget some of the tertiary effects of the trade. Every aspect seems to help out Japan in some way. Note the chapter (going from memory here) where Pina throws the party for the senators, and shows off a sample of Japan's goods, only for the Zorzal in the china shop to show up. Everyone was shocked by the quality of the goods and the taste of the foods, even Zorzal. The subsequent opening of the PX in the capitol made an equal impression on the Empire's other classes.
Now I'm wondering what the numismatic value of Imperial coinage is vs. the commodity value of the base metals on Earth--of course, Imperial coins would have tremendous collector value on Earth if Japan just auctioned them off, but if there's a melt-value arbitrage play, *that* could be done without anyone ever noticing, as long as there are no trace impurities/background mana radiation/etc. that could give the "new" gold away...
Posted by: BigD at August 27, 2015 04:45 AM (VKO9N)
Posted by: Will at August 27, 2015 09:42 AM (znZBT)
I wonder if these "Romans" are using lead acetate as a sweetener like ours did....
Posted by: hga at August 27, 2015 12:00 PM (cjzee)
It was chapter 40, and we have to remember the extreme bottleneck for shipping anything back to Japan. Another thing missing from your list is diamonds, which are used as currency.
Most of this prospecting is speculative, trying to identify useful ores in case, someday, the Japanese decide to try to build an industrial complex on the other side. In that case oil (or coal) will be essential and ores for things like tin, zinc, aluminum, iron and so on will be of interest. But in the short term, about the only thing they could find that would be worth exploiting immediately would be Rare Earths, and even that only if they could be partially refined on the other side before being sent back through the gate.
I don't think the king will regret this. For one thing, an alliance built on mutual self-interest is the strongest kind of alliance, and now he has that with the JSDF. Which helps his situation with the empire, and that's all to the good. If the Japanese find something immediately to exploit, then it means there will be nonstop traffic between Arnus and Elbe, plus detachments of the JSDF in Elbe, and that's also a fine thing. Even if they're extracting things and taking them away and not paying taxes on it, it's still going to benefit his economy (see Italica).
Plus most of what the Japanese are looking for he wouldn't know what to do with even if he found them.
I can believe that oil would get exploited immediately, as soon as the Japanese could build a small refinery. Having a local source for fuel would drastically reduce the demands on trucking through the gate, which would be very helpful. (Your tankers go to-and-from Elbe instead of to-and-from Japan through the gate.)
Ironically, that might result in more trade goods. A lot of what would be produced by a refinery is not of local use to the Japanese. After you extract gasoline, diesel, and kerosene (jet fuel) what's left is a waste produce, so you might as well try to sell it to the locals (for instance, lubricants).
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 27, 2015 12:13 PM (+rSRq)
After you extract gasoline, diesel, and kerosene (jet fuel) what's left is a waste produce, so you might as well try to sell it to the locals (for instance, lubricants).
A lot of what remains after you refine crude oil would be very useful to an industrial society, but not nearly as much to a pre-industrial one. You would be better off raising the technology and industrial levels of the Empire and then sell the byproducts.
The complexities of sending through the components of an oil refinery and what you need to assemble on site will probably cause headaches for traffic management through the gate. Add to the type of oil you find (Light sweet or heavy sour.) and what you want the refinery to be able to produce and the list of items to be shipped through the gate will get long in a hurry.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 27, 2015 01:15 PM (gbKL5)
Oil, well, ideally like over here you'd find some light sweet crude and mostly fractionally distill it, you might need to do more for jet fuel for jets (I gather jet fuel is becoming a near universal military fuel in the West). Send remaining fractions to diesel electric generators, later boilers for steam turbines, for in material terms electricity is probably the true key to modern civilization.
Posted by: hga at August 27, 2015 05:32 PM (cjzee)
for in material terms electricity is probably the true key to modern civilization.
One thing that Twilight: 2000 emphasized was that a modern economy and society needed electricity, and a working power distribution network, to function, if not more than as much as oil. If either the means of production or worse, the distribution network ever suffered massive damage (EMP courtesy of ICBMs conducting fractional orbital bombardment, to name one.), society would come to a screeching halt, assuming it did not collapse in short order.
Assuming the crude oil was of good quality, which is not guaranteed, refining diesel fuel would be relatively easy. Gasoline would require more processing, especially since all gasoline do not come from the distillation column in equal qualities. Jet fuel would require even more processing, depending on the feedstock used. You also have to take into account the expected usage rates - a single F-4 will require just under 48 barrels of jet fuel to fill its' internal fuel storage.
One byproduct of oil refining that can be a very useful trade item to the empire would be petroleum coke, which would be a better fuel for heating or manufacturing than wood or charcoal (The expected fuel sources for a medieval society.). The downside is that a refinery capable of producing coke will probably be considerably more complex than if it simply produced diesel fuel.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 27, 2015 07:19 PM (gbKL5)
Local oil refining doesn't have to supply the entire needs of the base. If it even provides part, that helps relieve the supply flow from Japan, and gives them capacity for other, more long range things to be shipped in. (Like more drilling equipment.)
This whole endeavor is subject to considerable budgetary limitations, though the "budget" isn't money, it's shipping capacity. Someone is spending a lot of time figuring out how to divide up the existing capacity through the gate so as to optimize the mission. For the time being, trucking going back to Japan is mostly going empty, so if they can come up with goods from the far side worth returning to Japan, they'll do it. But that capacity is also really limited so there are a lot of things that just aren't worth shipping, particularly later.
The reason the Collective is being granted shipping slots from Japan is mainly because they're a source of local currency plus a substantial asset for information gathering. But they can't have much, because so many other things need to come through.
It reminds me of the Red Ball Express in France in 1944.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 27, 2015 08:50 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 27, 2015 09:06 PM (+rSRq)
It's 0522, I'm in an IV clean room in mask, covers, etc., towards the end of my shift, taking my break, reading about Lelei.
That'd be a "yes!," Steven. God bless us; there's none like us!
Posted by: Clayton Barnett at August 28, 2015 01:26 AM (MWJe1)
Posted by: sqa at August 28, 2015 04:18 AM (OdfLH)
For local heating, as well as stuff like iron and steel production, I'd assume at some point they'd be looking for coal.
Hmmm, things in general are a bit unsettled for these sorts of industrial plants and transport networks, imagine a fire dragon vs. a refinery....
Posted by: hga at August 28, 2015 05:00 AM (cjzee)
August 21, 2015
And so the girls testify before the Diet. This version was better than the one in the Manga; Rory's part went on longer and it filled in a lot of holes that the manga just left.
Also, there's this guy:
They changed his art rather radically, and I can understand why. The manga version is positively demonic. Anyway, his name is Komakado and he's from "Public Services", purportedly the Japanese equivalent of the CIA. His first conversation with Itami is straight character building, but it's brief and very enlightening.
Itami has a Ranger badge, and he's also qualified in the Special Forces. Komakado has fun with the fact that Itami has all this accomplishment but seems to have just barely made it each time, like being second from bottom of his class in OCS. I think it's evident, and that Komakado thinks, that Itami is actually extremely capable but that he doesn't tend to do any more than is necessary to achieve whatever job he's been given. "Just barely enough" is his motto. But because of that, it seems like Itami has reserves of character and capability which likely would surprise most people who know him, if he's ever really severely challenged.
Anyway, Komakado is aware that the CIA and the Russian and Chinese equivalents are all trying to capture the girls. Presumably it would give them a huge bargaining chip with the Japanese, who might have to cede full partnership rights to exploit the Special Territory in order to get them back again. Komakado's job is to prevent that, so he identifies himself to Itami and starts revealing decoy plans and so on.
Unfortunately, Komakado's plans aren't enough. Fortunately, Itami is able to pull it out anyway. And everyone underestimated Rory Mercury.
But that isn't in this episode. If this series ends where I think it will, then we'll be in Japan for another three episodes -- and it doesn't seem like there's going to be enough material in the manga for that. This episode ended about halfway through chapter 19, and my guess was that the series ends in chapter 24. There's no way four chapters become four episodes, so either they're going to add some anime-only material, or else it isn't going to end where I think it is.
That's assuming it's one cour. If it's actually two cours, then all bets are off. Chapter 46 would be a perfect ending point for a 2-cour series.
But that isn't in this episode. If this series ends where I think it will, then we'll be in Japan for another three episodes -- and it doesn't seem like there's going to be enough material in the manga for that.
I think the series is actually following the pacing of the light novel series it is based on, rather than the manga that is also based on the novels.
Komakado also seems to be part of the National Public Safety Commission, which is not really equivalent to the CIA. Although the way it is presented, I would say 'Public Safety' in Gate is closer to the Bundesrepublik's Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, which is Germany's domestic intelligence agency.
Rory channeling Kipling with her reply of the Diet member questioning her was classic. A lot of people in Japan and the West would not approve, but it is a sentiment that is held by a lot of military personnel and veterans (Though not exclusively to either.).
Itami is certainly lazy by JSDF standards but: "Laziness in a special ops soldier might be considered mad industry anywhere else, but every unit has its "get over" artist who always tries for the job that can be done sitting down" - From GURPS Special Ops (2nd Edition), by Greg Rose. He is also very lucky too.
The annoying part is how the series is setting up the 'evil foreigners' in every stereotype you find in Japan.
And we get to meet Itami's ex-wife, much to everyone's shock.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 21, 2015 05:26 PM (gbKL5)
Posted by: Clayton Barnett at August 22, 2015 01:46 AM (lU4ZJ)
All Clayton's questions turn up next week too, so I'll bide for now. Lots of interesting and scary implications to worry about...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 22, 2015 02:15 AM (qxzj1)
Whoa. Just got this from a friend overseas (Singapore). Still cannot get bleeding html to work. This would seem to be a continental map of trans-Gate. I cannot confirm if it is canonical as I cannot read Japanese.
Avatar: you've me looking forward to next week, even more than usual!
Posted by: Clayton Barnett at August 22, 2015 03:02 AM (lU4ZJ)
Wikipedia lists the series as 24 episodes, but no-one else seems to have anything definitive. Hope that's true, because I'm really enjoying it.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at August 22, 2015 04:46 AM (PiXy!)
There was one minor correction that made some sense. In the anime, Kuribayashi and Tomita come through the gate in uniform, rather than civilian clothes, and only change between the diplomatic meeting and the subway. In the manga, they came through in civilian clothes, acquired and changed into uniform before the diplomatic meeting, and then changed back.
I also appreciated seeing the cellphone photographs in the Diet session, the anime addition of hashtags in the chat room sections, and
watching Komakado try to pick up Rory's axe. That's a satisfying crack. The anime-added axe spin by Rory as he's being taken away is even more satisfying.
Posted by: Civilis at August 22, 2015 08:37 AM (KlrGc)
The foreigners trying to seize the Gate refugees by force is probably the biggest complaint I have. I don't doubt that, say, the US would put pressure on the Japanese government to put us at an advantage for resources from the Gate--providing equipment as shown is exactly what I'd expect--but direct violent action on an ally's territory? That could spin out of control in too many ways to pass a cost-benefit analysis. It's one thing for us to do something like that in Pakistan (which has only loose control of large swaths of its territory, dysfunctional government, already not a big fan of the US) to get bin Laden (a very, very politically important goal). It's another to risk it in a country like Japan, (with an effective government, independent 1st world economy, already an ally) for some very speculative benefits (there's a lot of territory through the Gate, but it's not apparent how much value there'll be there--for example, Afghanistan has mineral resources, but the political situation is so fucked up its difficult to mine them.)
No, showing the president saying to give them equipment and let Japan take most of the risk is pretty reasonable, but sending teams to set fires and sabotage trains to try to kidnap people is a little out there.
Posted by: CatCube at August 22, 2015 08:39 AM (fa4fh)
I looked up the Wikipedia summary of the treaty, but I didn't understand what you mean. I know we have an obligation to defend Japan from external attack, but how would them declaring another country territory of Japan change our obligations? (Declaring another country theirs by right of conquest would start an epic diplomatic storm in the UN and probably with China and Korea, but that's another conversation.)
Posted by: CatCube at August 22, 2015 08:47 AM (fa4fh)
Rory's testimony is a model of sanity.
Posted by: 50srefugee at August 22, 2015 10:35 AM (OoOF7)
So once conflict starts, the treaty directs the US to get the Security Council on board, and then it continues until everything is peaceful again. But if you consider the entire world on the other side of the gate as the "Special Region of Japan", then obviously things aren't peaceful there - which means Japan either has to let the Security Council in if they ask, or abrogate (not merely withdraw from) the Security Treaty. The latter, with hungry hungry China right off the coast, would be really daft.
In practice the US could easily use that as a lever to get themselves alone in. "Either accept our participation or we will go ask the Security Council, who is full of countries who will want a piece and who you like a lot less well than us."
This makes the US's participation in the foolery to come really damned stupid - there's nothing they can gain by it that they couldn't get just by asking not-very-nicely.
I guess I can see why someone who is, to all accounts, a pretty strident nationalist like the author would not want to come out and mention this in his power-fantasy escapist fiction. Doesn't make it better, but I understand, right?
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 22, 2015 11:39 AM (qxzj1)
If you ever get a chance to watch through episodes of Remington Steele, there is an episode where Tom Baker guest stars as a crooked Interpol officer, chasing after Doris Roberts' character (Before Roberts became a regular of the series.). He actually wears a trench coat like Komakado does.
Christopher Lloyd or better, Geoffrey Rush would be close stand-ins for Komakado.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 22, 2015 11:44 AM (gbKL5)
Avatar, "The United States is Evil, Greedy, and Rapacious" is nearly a trope in some kinds of anime. Gasaraki is the canonical example but it comes up all the time in certain kinds of shows.
Other times Americans are seen as kind, generous, and forgiving.
But it has to be remembered that the US is the only country in a thousand years to invade and conquer Japanese territory (since the Japanese people themselves showed up and beat up the Emishi). Some people won't ever forgive us for that.
(I don't forget that the UK, Australia, and New Zealand all helped quite a lot, especially the UK, but they still represented at best about 10% of the forces which eventually were intended to be arrayed against Japan, not including the nukes.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 22, 2015 12:00 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 22, 2015 01:59 PM (+rSRq)
The foreigners trying to seize the Gate refugees by force is probably the biggest complaint I have.
That ends in chapter 24 of the manga with the foreigners all getting their noses pushed in, and we never see it again after that, through chapter 48 which is the last that's been translated.
I wish there were more. The last frame of chapter 48 is a pretty big "Wham" moment.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 22, 2015 02:03 PM (+rSRq)
But it has to be remembered that the US is the only country in a thousand years to invade and conquer Japanese territory (since the Japanese people themselves showed up and beat up the Emishi). Some people won't ever forgive us for that.
I just knowingly smirk every time the Japanese representatives remark that they treat prisoners humanely or demand the Empire do the same. For all the somewhat understandable resentment, we did change Japan for the better, even if they won't admit it.
Posted by: Civilis at August 22, 2015 02:14 PM (KlrGc)
August 19, 2015
How did Assassination Classroom end? Did the kids actually kill the teacher?
Posted by: Don at August 19, 2015 07:18 PM (0jMXy)
Posted by: Brett Bellmore at August 20, 2015 01:09 AM (L5yWw)
Long answer made longer: Sensei had a fail safe mode where he was able to turn himself into an impenetrable ball consisting of his head in a bubble. His students put him in that state after a nearly successful coordinated assassination attempt by the whole class. Sensei can't move for a while, but while he's in that state another soldier-trainer-fellow-with-a-grudge-against the-class-trap-who-went-nuts-over-said-grudge poisons most of the class and demands that the head be delivered to him in exchange for the antidote so he can kill Sensei when he recovers and collect the reward.
The class defeats several hired assassins and thugs, plus Mr. Nutty Soldier, earning the respect of the hired assassins (who only gave the kids 24 hour food poisoning, because they're professionals, not meanies.) Everybody learns a little something about life and love along the way, and they all enjoy future classes with Sensei while they continue to try to kill him so the mangaka can milk this property for all it's worth.
Posted by: wahsatchmo at August 20, 2015 08:10 AM (r4uXE)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 20, 2015 10:32 AM (+rSRq)
It turns out that Koro-sensei was actually an assassin who was subjected to experiments involving antimatter. He's not the one who blew up the moon - they had done the same thing to a mouse and sent it up there, and it was the mouse who blew up the moon (antimatter chain reaction or somesuch). The scientists calculated that the same thing would eventually happen to Koro-sensei, which would cause Earth's destruction.
Koro-sensei learns abut this, goes on a rampage, is snapped out of it by a woman who is hit by the site's defense mechanisms. She inspires him to take up teaching before she dies. He does so (and takes the blame for the moon in the process.)
Koro-sensei reveals this to the class. He still wants them to kill him, but after everything that's happened they're not too keen on it. The class splits up into those who want to save Koro-sensei and those who want to respect his wishes and go through with the assassination. Tvtropes says that Koro-sensei nips this conflict in the bud by forcing the two groups to decide it with a paintball game, but I haven't seen any farther than that.
Posted by: mp122984 at August 20, 2015 12:41 PM (ki8E/)
August 14, 2015
I have spent a lot of time reading the manga for this series and I've gotten used to how the mangaka draws the characters and their costumes. The anime diverges quite a lot from that, enough to be jarring.
Sometimes it's due to censorship, because the manga has quite a lot of nudity and explicit bloodshed and gore. But sometimes the changes are practical, because the mangaka's art is too elaborate to be reasonably animated.
I brought up the question of Bozes in her nightgown yesterday. Here's what they did with it:
All the changes are understandable, but it means this isn't going to be a "Buy the BD's" moment. (We'll get some of those later, though, unless they radically change the Onsen scene.)
They changed the catgirl and the bunny girl a lot.
And in this case I think it's a mistake. These two are revealed as being extremely dangerous fighters, and in the manga they really do look formidable. In the anime they're all cutesy; it's completely out of character.
This is the Princess and Bozes in their formal uniforms. It's really a huge change, and I don't like it. The costumes per the manga simply could not be animated, so it's obvious that the change was going to be radical, but the anime versions just don't work for me. (Lose the hats, for one thing!)
And one more example, but some commentary first. When people grow from childhood to adulthood, different parts of the body change at different rates. The femur, for instance, probably grows 500% or more linearly speaking. The skull, on the other hand, doesn't change very much at all (I think it doesn't even double linearly speaking). So a child's head is proportionately larger compared to its body than an adult's head. And it turns out that we adults are genetically programmed to find things with disproportionately large heads to be "cute". (Which is why we are suckers for kittens and puppies, not to mention human babies and children.)
Stephen Jay Gould did an article about this once, and in particular he talked about Disney and Warner Bros characters, because he noticed something interesting. Over the first ten years or so of those characters, the heads of the Disney characters tended to grow proportionate to their bodies, while the Warner Bros characters went the other way, with the heads becoming smaller relative to their bodies. The result psychologically is that Bugs seems like an adult to us, but Mickey is more like a child. Daffy's head is a lot smaller than Donald's head.
They did that here, too. In the anime, Lelei's head is bigger than in the manga.
And obviously they changed her clothes. I really prefer the manga version of her costume, but it's obviously impossible to retain it, and on balance the anime version is still rather nice.
UPDATE: As to episode 7, well, it proceeded on the plot line but the only important thing was that the Princess decided to accompany Recon 3 back to the JSDF base so she could apologize. And then it was decided to let her visit Japan. Ep 7 ended just before the party entered the Gate to go to Japan. Next episode we get to see the Diet. Will ep 8 give us the onsen scene? Probably that gets pushed out to ep 9.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at August 14, 2015 12:33 PM (RqRa5)
It isn't always like that. Fairy Tail didn't do that; the art in the manga and the anime are virtually identical.
Also, the first series (first 175 episodes) pretty much used the manga as a storyboard.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 14, 2015 02:50 PM (+rSRq)
Fairy Tail didn't do that; the art in the manga and the anime are virtually identical.
Given my distaste for the art style of Hiro Mashima, that is not exactly a compliment. Though at least Fairy Tale's artwork is better than Rave Master's.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 14, 2015 04:39 PM (oiyoz)
Posted by: cxt217 at August 14, 2015 05:26 PM (oiyoz)
Money being what it is, I can understand simplifying the uniforms for the anime. Bunny-warrior isn't all that different, but making Purrsia purple was uncalled for; it cute-tifies her for no reason.
Princess Pena and Bozes are now stewardesses on American Airlines circa 1974? Please someone explain this to me.
It's a transitional episode, so - barring the outfits - I saw what I expected. From the drive back to Aldus, more and more of Princess Pena dies inside; how much of that was day-to-day training and the rest for her 'benefit?'
Love this show.
Posted by: Clayton Barnett at August 15, 2015 01:13 AM (lU4ZJ)
There are three shows I'm watching live this season, which hasn't happened for a long time. (Gate, Himouto, and Ushio&Tora.)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at August 15, 2015 04:53 AM (PiXy!)
It seemed like more of an "American" attitude, if that makes any sense.
Posted by: wahsatchmo at August 15, 2015 10:07 AM (r4uXE)
Posted by: cxt217 at August 15, 2015 10:13 AM (oiyoz)
It seemed like more of an "American" attitude, if that makes any sense.
No, that was pretty far out there for the US military as well. If there was ever a time for an O-2 to be seen and not heard, a meeting between an O-9 and a diplomat from another nation-state was it.
That general probably wouldn't have yelled at the lieutenant, he'd have blamed the colonel the lieutenant was subordinate to for taking his d**k out of the LT's mouth. The meeting might actually use that phrasing.
You have to make some allowances in fiction, because a real command structure would have too many characters to be easy to produce or easy for the audience to follow.
Posted by: CatCube at August 15, 2015 11:46 AM (fa4fh)
Yanagida is the same rank as Itami (1st Lieutenant). But Yanagida is Intelligence; Itami is Infantry. That's why Yanagida was there for the interview with the Princess.
Yanagida has some issues. In the manga just before Itami's group went back through the Gate to Japan, Yanagida cussed out Itami pretty seriously with the two of them alone. (Later he apologized.) They left all that out in the anime.
Hazama is a Lieutenant General (O-8). In Japanese his rank is 陸将 rikushou which makes him a General of a Division. (They apparently do not have a rank equivalent to "Brigadier", so he's a second-level general.) According to Wikipedia, umm...
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 15, 2015 12:04 PM (+rSRq)
As to Yanagida:
What is mainly motivating him is resentment and jealousy. He resents the fact that Itami isn't spit-and-polish, and yet he's been doing a lot of awesome things while being accompanied by beautiful women.
Even though he's only a 1st Lieutenant, Itami has indirectly been steering JSDF policy, so far and that continues on. Itami being on location where exciting things are happening has been making decisions which eventually commit the entire JSDF. So far that includes accepting the refugees, and engaging in battle at Italica (and calling in an Air-Cav strike). Yanagida, being intelligence, is stuck in the base and doing boring analysis. Intelligence should be driving the campaign, but Yanagida sees Itami usurping that. When Yanagida blows up, that's essentially what he says to Itami.
Itami is a loose cannon. General Hazama knows that, but the things Itami has been doing have all turned out the way Hazama wants them to, and they give Hazama an excuse "Well, we're already committed..." It's not that Itami is deliberately trying to usurp command of the mission, it's just the way things have turned out. But he keeps doing that, and that's another part of Yanagida's issue.
For anyone who's read ahead in the manga, let's not talk about Yanagida's future, alright?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 15, 2015 12:26 PM (+rSRq)
The table from Wikipedia uses the NATO rank codes (OF-x), which aren't quite equivalent to the US pay grades (O-x). Both 1st and 2nd Lieutenants in the US (O-2 and O-1, respectively) are OF-1 in the NATO system, and a US Lieutenant General is an O-9 in the US system or OF-8 in NATO terms.
The NATO system includes combines both kinds of lieutenant into one grade, and has General of the Army or Field Marshal as OF-10. In the US pay grades, we have lieutenants as their own pay grades (O-1 and O-2), though they don't traditionally exchange salutes and are equivalent socially, and General of the Army is rolled up under O-10 as a special rank.
For US Army officer ranks:
O-1=OF-1=2nd Lieutenant (2LT)
O-2=OF-1=1st Lieutenant (1LT)
O-5=OF-4=Lieutenant Colonel (LTC)
O-7=OF-6=Brigadier General (BG)
O-8=OF-7=Major General (MG)
O-9=OF-8=Lieutenant General (LTG)
O-10=OF-10=General of the Army (GA) (not currently used)
Pedantry about classification systems aside,
Yanagida would be self-sabotaging by running his mouth in a meeting the way he did. From General Hazama's perspective, you could just barely see a lieutenant's career with the naked eye. In a meeting of that caliber as an OF-1 (or O-2), you either say something brilliant or keep your mouth shut. Yanagida's comments definitely weren't brilliant. In real life, they'd have intel officers of much higher rank present, and have a 1LT in a seat along the wall. However, that would expand the number of characters and not give Itami's nemesis a speaking part. Reality occasionally needs to bow out for the needs of narrative, and this is one of those times.
Posted by: CatCube at August 15, 2015 12:57 PM (fa4fh)
Posted by: wahsatchmo at August 15, 2015 01:01 PM (r4uXE)
Posted by: cxt217 at August 15, 2015 06:07 PM (oiyoz)
Posted by: CatCube at August 15, 2015 07:30 PM (fa4fh)
Posted by: cxt217 at August 15, 2015 08:05 PM (oiyoz)
The JASDF doesn't actually use the rank structure that armies from Europe use. The English names we refer to are by analogy.
Officer ranks are three tiers of three titles each. So there are a total of nine, and by convention the top tier is translated to "general". Hazama's rank is the middle one of three in the top tier.
The rank insignia for the bottom tier is one bar with one, two, or three stars. The second tier is two bars with one, two, or three stars.
And the top tier is two, three, or four stars with no bar and don't ask me why. Hazama has three stars.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 15, 2015 09:06 PM (+rSRq)
I realize that the ranks are translations of concept, rather than the literal words, but as you noted they broke pattern and skipped the obvious "1-star" rank option, both in insignia and in OF-grade. That seems to indicate a deliberate effort to maintain some sort of equivalence with other nations.
If they retained names of ranks from previous rank structures, but reworked the insignia and grade that would seem that they wanted their system to top out at OF-9, and jiggered the insignia and rank equivalence to do that.
Posted by: CatCube at August 15, 2015 09:25 PM (fa4fh)
Aaagh, hit "Post" rather than "Preview".
I was wondering if somebody knew for a fact that this is what the JSDF was doing, rather than my just surmising their intent.
Posted by: CatCube at August 15, 2015 09:29 PM (fa4fh)
She's someone who's high in the command of an unfriendly force. She's initiating diplomatic contact, directly after having made a colossal diplomatic blunder. The Japanese don't intend to declare war over it, but at the same time, it's a heaven-sent opportunity for them to open negotiations in a favorable position.
The Japanese are trying to understand the local power structure before they go making any decisions. But the locals are hotheads and already there's been significant casualties from their leaders deciding to attack first. If they want the Empire to agree to peace, the Empire is going to have to understand just what they're up against. But to do that, they need to deal with the Empires' representatives, and those representatives are completely unused to the idea of taking a passive role. A Pina who shows up and starts dictating terms, then stomping off when they're not immediately accepted, represents a failure in negotiation.
But an apologetic Pina is one that's not likely to push her luck, at least long enough that she can get the idea of what Japan actually represents; she's worried now, but not nearly worried enough, right? She represents an opportunity that the Japanese can't turn down, one that lets them get information about themselves back to the Empire's leadership.
That said, it would be pretty crass to actually say "so, you guys really blew it here, huh?" So they're doing something more subtle. "Hey, we understand you did this, but surely there was some kind of mitigating circumstance, right?" That kind of question isn't actually fishing for information, it's just pointing out that no, it was a total failure of Pina to enforce the agreement she'd just worked out. A way of grinding their nose in it, but in a deniable fashion; "why no, we weren't being rude, we were just assuming they were fellow reasonable people who don't go beating up our people for no good reason, right?"
Once that's done, Hazama puts a stop to it. Classic good-cop, bad-cop routine, an indication that the Japanese are perfectly aware that they've got every reason to give Pina the boot, but are prepared to let things go at that (with an implied "this time"). Pina gets it too - she's being let off the hook, but not because the Japanese didn't know she was on it in the first place.
That explains just about everything about the encounter - why the JSDF was showing off helis and tanks, why a junior intelligence officer was piping up in a fashion that might be unproductive, why Pina didn't actually resort to trying to make an excuse for what happened. She's not unsophisticated and it's likely that everyone in the room understood exactly what was going on.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 16, 2015 03:50 PM (qxzj1)
That sounds reasonable to me. Ironically it's yet another case of continuing a line originally started by Itami. Remember he told Rory that part of his motivation was to convince the princess that it was better for her if she was friends with the JSDF than if she chooses to fight them. Hazama is continuing in that same direction.
Probably the decision to send Pina through the gate was another step on that same road. And it worked. When she came back (in the manga), she was utterly convinced that if the Empire tried to fight the JSDF the Empire would be completely obliterated, and thus it was her highest duty to try to prevent that.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 16, 2015 04:04 PM (+rSRq)
August 13, 2015
This scene from the manga should be in the next episode. It will be interesting to see what the art looks like. Will the cloth be less sheer? Will there be fortuitous sprays of flowers obscuring the view? We'll find out tomorrow.
UPDATE: Speculations about the rest of the anime below the fold. (HUGE SPOILERS!!!)more...
Posted by: Clayton Barnett at August 14, 2015 07:16 AM (lU4ZJ)
I do believe you will not be much disappointed by how the anime studio chose to handle this...
(Courtesy of the Crunchyroll stream that just went online.)
Posted by: cxt217 at August 14, 2015 10:02 AM (oiyoz)
UPDATE: This is what she looks like when she isn't quite tsun-tsun:
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 13, 2015 03:35 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Wonderduck at August 13, 2015 07:21 PM (jGQR+)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 13, 2015 07:27 PM (qxzj1)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 13, 2015 09:00 PM (+rSRq)
August 10, 2015
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at August 11, 2015 02:34 AM (ohzj1)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 11, 2015 07:39 AM (+rSRq)
Heh, considering that Mikoto is always emitting electricity, she would be unpleasant to swim with even under normal circumstances. I wonder if she could produce that low frequency "hum" that is associated with causing feelings of fear and anxiety in humans. I could picture her terrorizing evildoers so that they're filled with panic and dread the minute she gets close.
Posted by: wahsatchmo at August 11, 2015 08:41 AM (r4uXE)
Posted by: sqa at August 11, 2015 07:12 PM (VLCpZ)
Posted by: watauwa14 at August 19, 2015 05:09 AM (5D2Uu)
August 07, 2015
I have raws of the manga up through chapter 72. The translations only go to chapter 52 (which just came out). Anyway, something happens in chapter 62 (in volume 12) about which I am intensely curious, and I need some help from someone who can read Japanese.
Here's the background:
Somehow, Vivio has found a new transformation. Instead of her "Adult Mode" in which her jacket is white, the new one (with a dark jacket) is her "Sankt Kaiser" mode, which we originally saw in StrikerS when she was in the throne room of the Cradle. It took everything Nanoha had to defeat her in that form, and Raising Heart was badly damaged in the fight.
After they found Fried's book in the library and read it, Einhart has been moping around big time. She's doing a lot of crying, and she's keeping to herself, and it's just not very good. Vivio challenges her to another fight, which would be their third. Einhart won the first two (near the beginning of the series) but this time it's different. Vivio uses her Sankt Kaiser mode and gives Einhart a pretty royal beating. They also talk about some things; Vivio talks about the fact that she was created to be the pilot of the cradle, and talks about how Nanoha was able to free her from that fate. And at the end Vivio knocks Einhart cold. When she wakes up, she smiles for the very first time in the series, and then there are teary hugs all around. I'm interested in that fight, too, but that's not my question at this time.
Later, the first time Nove is with Vivio and Einhart isn't around, Nove chews her out. It's as angry as we ever see Nove get. What I want to know is what Nove is so angry about. Here are the six pages in which this happens:
Could someone who can read it tell me what Nove is saying?
UPDATE: That third fight, and Einhart's defeat, seems to have been a life-changing event for Einhart. After that she smiles quite a lot; I conjecture that it began the process of freeing her from Klaus's memories.
UPDATE: What's been driving Einhart all this time was the memory of Klaus not being able to save Olivie from becoming the pilot of the Cradle and being consumed by it. I wonder if what changes her is the knowledge that Vivio actually was saved from the Cradle, along with the knowledge that the Cradle has been destroyed? Einhart didn't do it, but if Vivio is a proxy for Olivie in Einhart's mind, then she knows that someone succeeded, and now Einhart herself doesn't have to. Not being able to read it, that's my wild assed guess.
UPDATE: Just to make clear: I'm not begging for a literal translation; just a summary, two or three sentences, would be fine.
No one, eh?
Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I think I'll go eat worms...
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 09, 2015 11:41 AM (+rSRq)
Posted by: sqa at August 09, 2015 10:27 PM (nu5ZK)
Once "penitence" shows up, I'm just lost.
Posted by: sqa at August 09, 2015 10:43 PM (nu5ZK)
"Criticizing her for overdoing it" makes sense. There's a point in the fight between Vivio and Einhart where Nove has Jet Edge out and is considering activating it, clearly with the intention of stepping in to stop the fight. Nove didn't do that, but it's obvious she was thinking of doing so.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 10, 2015 10:21 AM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 10, 2015 10:23 AM (+rSRq)
Sure looks like a pep-talk to me.
144: N: your fight today was unreasonable. It's not fine just because you won. Where the areas you should reflect on end, I don't even know.
V: Even though it was a sparring bell win, it was sort of a penance for relying on Defender.
145: N: Did (I?) teach you to try and take an attack that way? Still more, (one) from a higher ranked 'hard hitter' opponent? For such an engagement from straight on, what kind of penance did I teach? Eh?
V: That... what you taught (me), I didn't think deeply about it.
?: Umm, Coach... that's about enough scolding...
N: Shut up, kiddy! Y'all listen!
146: N: I taught you techniques for use in competition matches. What crowns those, the foundations of my style (store?) is to adopt your own spring-light-game (springtime technique?). From here on, Einhart too.
N: For you, who (took) what I taught and ripped up the right teachings! Melee-hitting-school's debut!
147: N: Speed! Sense! Anti-nerve-attacks! With techniques, make sport of your opponents power and toughness!
148: (become a) 'Hit without being hit' counter-hitter... that is what best suits your nature, what is closest to your dream.
149: N: Even though you won with things you've learned and memorized and a wrongly reckless fighting style, that kind of victory doesn't lead to a tomorrow. You, with your body and your weakness, wanting the short term victory, if you continue with that kind of thing... well, at best, you'll have a breakdown in middle-school that will be the end of your life as a player. That's probably painful, (hearing) that.
150: N: Even so, I watched in silence, considering your and Einhart's special circumstances. After now, I won't permit it, understand?
V: Y - yes!
V: Without Coach's permission, I won't fight today's way again!
151: N: Y'all fine?
N: Good! Then, this matter ends here. From tomorrow, compete as a reborn four-man team.
Posted by: HC at August 11, 2015 03:44 PM (84+yM)
Thank you very much. To explain a few things, "Sacred Defender" is a technique that Vivio learned to use with her magical device, which is called "Sacred Heart" or "Chris". (It's that floating bunny.)
Sacred Defender is effectively magical armor. It's something she developed a long time ago but when she's in her Sankt Kaiser mode it apparently is particularly strong. In her fight with Einhart, several times Einhart landed powerful blows without Vivio blocking them, and they bounced doing no damage. One of the things Nove appears to be angry about is that Vivio was relying on that for defense instead of more traditional blocking moves.
The fighting style that Nove has been teaching Vivio usually gets translated as "Counter-hitter". She blocks and then ripostes, often doing great damage. But during her fight with Einhart she wasn't doing that because she was relying on Sacred Defender to protect her.
Rio (the one with dark hair) uses her family's style called "Fist of the Spring Sunlight" which has unusual characteristics. The third loli is Corona and her thing is called "Meist Arts" which allows her to create and operate a giant golem made of stone. Plus other capabilities.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 11, 2015 04:35 PM (+rSRq)
146: N: I taught you techniques for use in competition matches. For those, Corona does Meist Arts' foundation, and Rio brings out her Fist of the of the Spring Sunlight.
Still very loose, but good to stretch that side of things for a change.
Also clarifies that the penance for relying so thoroughly (頼り !きり!) on Defender is in the future, rather than the fight about which she's being scolded.
Posted by: HC at August 11, 2015 06:38 PM (84+yM)
Posted by: Wonderduck at August 14, 2015 07:05 PM (jGQR+)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 14, 2015 07:53 PM (+rSRq)
It's been an exciting day, you know...
The brigand military unit has broken through Italica's east gate and the only thing remaining as a defensive position is a half-assed fence defended by untrained militia. It ain't looking good.more...
If the Apocalypse Now references could not be blatant enough, the lieutenant general commanding the JSDF garrison at Arnus Hill specifically mentions Robert Duvall's Lieutenant Colonel Kilgore by name during the briefing sequence.
The only thing that could have been more devastating for the bandits was if an AC-130 was providing the close air support. Even the slicks had door machineguns, and we even saw an air assault sequence at the end.
Yeah, we get to see other members of the princess' order of knights. Unfortunately, Itami will not enjoy the experience too much.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 07, 2015 02:31 PM (WZ3q8)
The interesting bit, for me? The shiner that Rory hung on Itami is hanging around. The show's not beyond a bit of comedy violence, but even there the consequences are "real" for the people involved.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 07, 2015 07:30 PM (pWQz4)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 07, 2015 07:37 PM (+rSRq)
Heh, we have Itami doing an otaku/pervert/smart intelligence move when he apparently choses all the ladies among the captured bandits to be transferred to the JSDF. Even better was what Kuribayashi and Kurokawa evidently thought was Itami's reason for doing so.
There were two things that felt wrong. First, usually it would Itami as the officer on the scene calling for the gunships to hit the bandits inside the perimeter, not the gunships announcing they were going get the bandits inside the wall within ten seconds and please be nice enough to move. Second, what kind of soldier would mistake a dust cloud for smoke?
Posted by: cxt217 at August 07, 2015 08:07 PM (WZ3q8)
The commander of the air cav was ranking; I think it was him that ordered the Cobra to finish the job.
As to "dust" versus "smoke" I bet that's a translation issue.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 07, 2015 08:40 PM (+rSRq)
The look between Kuribayashi and Rory was priceless! I wager ten quatloos that before all of this is over, Kuribayashi goes native and becomes an Apostle.
Like you, Steven, I thought that the bruise to Itami's eye was from leaning in too close to his rifle sight. Given that Rory could have decapitated him for groping her, he should think of it as a love-tap.
This series continues to amaze me. There's a small animecon nearby next weekend in Columbus; if they've anything GATE related, I'm buying it.
Posted by: Clayton Barnett at August 08, 2015 01:32 AM (lU4ZJ)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 08, 2015 11:56 AM (+rSRq)
During the GATE discussion thread at the Fandom Post, I had wrote down why the gunship clearing the bandits from inside the city walls seemed wrong. The comment actually came from a discussion about Episode 6 on whether the JSDF should have used all the firepower they did.
"...it was the way the gunship opened fire on the bandits inside the city walls with nothing more than a warning for Itami and any other friendlies to get out of the area of effect in ten seconds. That was an extremely risky and dangerous use of firepower since it appears to have not given proper consideration to avoiding placing fire on local civilians and defenders, as well as any members of the recon group. Itami, as the commanding officer on the ground, should have been the one who called for, gave targeting info, and permitted the gunship to attack inside the wall, because he would have a better grasp of whether there was any friendlies in the area and whether they could retreat before the gunship attacked."
Watching the episode again, it sounded like the gunship pilot radioing Itami about his impending action, and not the lieutenant colonel. From Itami's reaction it did not appear he was told about the decision beforehand.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 10, 2015 12:37 PM (WZ3q8)
Though it wasn't stated, part of why the pilot of the Cobra radioed Itami was to give Itami a chance to veto the decision if there was a reason why.
We didn't hear it but the commander of the squadron must have ordered the Cobra to finish the battle. Itami was called not just to warn him to move but to give him a chance to stop it.
Itami didn't need to stop it, and didn't.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 10, 2015 01:59 PM (+rSRq)
That still strikes as wrong. The radio call might have not have gone through, or Itami's radio might have stopped functioning. Or Itami might not have been able to hear the message over the din of the fighting. Or even if Itami had heard it but his order not to fire had not gotten through. If any of those possibilities had happened, the gunship would have been shooting at friendlies.
It would have made more sense if the gunship pilot had radioed 'Do you want me to place fire on the bandits inside the wall?' and waited for a reply. Even then, I would still be very hesitant for the gunships to fire on targets inside the wall unless it appears the city was being overrun.
Posted by: cxt217 at August 10, 2015 02:12 PM (WZ3q8)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 10, 2015 02:38 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at August 10, 2015 04:13 PM (qxzj1)
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