July 23, 2009
Endless ∞ -- iteration 6
Amazing. The sixth iteration of Endless 8 still did not end the loop.
UPDATE: You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of Wish you were here by Pink Floyd.
Pink Floyd was a successful rock group in the 1960's and 1970's who built up a loyal fan following and were comfortable with the fans they had.
Then, for whatever reason, they released Dark Side of the Moon, which was a spectacular commercial success, selling something like 35 million copies. It attracted lots and lots of new fans to the group, and what I've heard is that the group members didn't like it. In fact, they hated it.
Wish you were here Dark Side of the Moon was intended for the old-school hard core fans, and it was intended to drive away the newbies. Or so I've heard. (And maybe also to reduce studio pressure. You can hear the bitterness in the lyrics of "Have a Cigar.")
I'm beginning to wonder if Endless 8 is deliberately intended to fuck over and to alienate all the fanbois that were created by the original series. Maybe KyoAni doesn't like the kind of attention it's been getting.
For instance, maybe they hated all the "Where's more Haruhi?" nagging from the fanbois while they were working on Lucky Star and Clannad.
So the answer is "HERE is your Haruhi. Stick it where the sun don't shine, and leave us the hell alone!"
UPDATE: Rats, I got the wrong name at one point. Fixed.
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Thirteen episodes of Endless Eight, baby! You know it's coming! (Well, twelve, since Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody was the first of the season.)
(Not really. I still think they'll end it with eight ... but as of now, I would no longer be shocked if they ran it much longer, and maybe for much the reason that you suggest.)
Posted by: Griffin at July 24, 2009 06:01 AM (75VaB)
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Of course, the problem with such logic, is that becoming known for such a huge "fuck you" will not necessarily allow them to go back to making sad girl stories successfully. . .
Posted by: metaphysician at July 24, 2009 07:04 AM (M5Kik)
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I think Kyoto Animation is in a rut. Their other Spring animation is K-On, a cute girl band anime. I watch it until episode 7 and lost interest in it. Hell, I won't even bother watching this show until they actually advance the plot.
Posted by: BigFire at July 24, 2009 07:29 AM (9KNwi)
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(Oh, you stuck your foot in it now, man!)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at July 24, 2009 08:44 AM (+rSRq)
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Given how KyoAni decided to get into a pissing contest with Yutaka Yamamoto over the latter's reply to a question about Endless Eight, you have to wonder if whatever madness had previously infected the management of the Haruhi franchise has now spread to other parts of the KyoAni and/or Kadokawa.
Metastasis is beginning to hit critical.
C.T.
Posted by: cxt217 at July 24, 2009 10:41 AM (zgYCu)
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Let me put it this way: I was one of the big fans of season one. I knew that there was NO way season two could ever hope to live up to season one. I wasn't expecting another "series of awsome" out of it. Just a chance to watch old friends in a good series again.
So when I say this, it's not from being a disappointed fanboi, it's from being alienated by the middle finger we've been given:
I have actually lost interest in watching this series, to the point that I stopped torrenting it after the 3rd iteration. I don't know if I will pick it back up after E8 is done.
I'm mildly curious....sort of like I am about the actual chemistry involved in photosynthesis. Kyoto Animation and Kadokawa have no one to blame but themselves.
Posted by: ubu at July 24, 2009 01:22 PM (i7ZAU)
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All I can say is that they better have one helluva resolution to this plot line to justify all the repetition. Based on clues (at least I think they were clues) in one of the episodes, I am guessing that Haruhi wants to fly in an airplane, but didn't add it to her schedule of events. If the climax can build on different clues from each of the repetitions, then they
might be able to salvage this for me. If not, then my future anime DVD budget gets a break...
Posted by: Siergen at July 24, 2009 02:44 PM (rrGix)
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Sorry, there's
nothing they can do with an ending for this that would retroactively salvage it.
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We're already long past 15,498. The most recent one was 15524.
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Based on the books, "Disappearance of" may be a pretty good story.
It remains to be seen whether they actually tell it to us, or if it gets crowded out by the cancer of "Endless 8".
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July 21, 2009
Endless 8 -- more comments
John at AnimeNation thinks that KyoAni is mocking the fans. He doesn't use that word, but that's what it comes down to.
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June 23, 2009
Bachelor Chef -- Carpetbag Steak
Tim Blair does his own version of "Bachelor Chef", something called a "carpetbag steak". Given how I feel about shellfish (blech) seems even weirder than the stuff I create.
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Ah, so I'm not the only one who refuses to eat anything with an exoskeleton. . .
Also, possible bug report? The comment box will sometimes stick while loading: the whole page and interface will appear, but no cursor can be placed within the typing area. Refreshing fixes it so far. I'm not sure if this is new, or old, or even actually from your end and not just random internet issues, but, best to report it.
Posted by: metaphysician at June 23, 2009 11:49 AM (WPSw+)
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That's always been an issue, and it's an IE bug.
I think it can be fixed, and what it takes is for all the IMG tags to contain hard-wired sizes. It's on Pixy's list of things-to-do-in-his-copious-spare-time.
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Gotcha. Though, in case it is useful data, I'm using Firefox. So, whatever the bug is, it can hit Firefox as well.
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I think I misinterpreted your comment. The bug I was talking about, in IE, affects posts which have pictures in them. The comment box gets displayed before the pictures show up, and though the rest of the page contents gets shoved down when the image finally finishes downloading, the comment entry box does not.
Sounds like your problem is something else entirely.
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June 16, 2009
Um, err...
I think Ubu needs to turn off the computer and read a book.
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Oooh! Oooh! I know the one! "
Loony-tics of the Ring!"
No? "
Merrie Melodies of the Ring?" No, wait, that was the Hanna-Barbara version. "Where there's a whip, there's a way..."
Look, don't make me reach for "
Animaniacs of the Ring."
Posted by: ubu at June 16, 2009 07:58 PM (Ic2HW)
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Um, calm down. Put down that anvil and back away slowly.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at June 16, 2009 08:00 PM (+rSRq)
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What about using the
Jay Ward stable?
“Hey, Gimili, watch me pull an arrow out of this orc!â€
“But that trick never works.â€
“This time for sure.â€
“...I'll show you. Set the Wayback Machine for the Second Age.â€
“And the place, Mr. Gandalf?â€
“The Mines of Moria!â€
Dudley Do-Right as Aragorn? Inspector Fenwick as Elrond?
Posted by: Old Grouch at June 17, 2009 10:20 AM (hK1Mz)
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I always thought a Muppet Lord of the Rings parody would make a good movie. Kermit as Aragorn, his nephew frog-puppet as Frodo, Bean Bunny as Sam, etc., etc.
The Fraggles* delve too deep into the mines of Moria. Cue the massive animatronic Balrog.
*Technically, it would be the Doozers, but it's funnier with the Fraggles.
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June 15, 2009
A lot going on...
This collection of photos from Iran is really quite amazing.
Fifteen years ago it wouldn't have been possible. Fifteen years ago the people risking their lives with those cameras would have been using film. Fifteen years ago it would have taken days if not weeks for them to smuggle film out of such an area, get it developed, and get the pictures published (on paper). That's because fifteen years ago pictures were a physical medium. That's all changed. Now pictures are bits.
Now the cameras are digital, the smuggling is by satellite phone or internet, and publishing is on the web. In some cases the picture can be seen by thousands around the world within an hour of when it is taken.
The Iranian government reportedly is trying to prevent this, by shutting down the phone system and seriously limiting access to the internet, but unless they're willing to cut the internet entirely there's really no way to prevent the word from getting out.
I am always amused by poets, artists, musicians, playwrights who claim they're going to change the world. It's all blather, self-important presumption. Poetry and paintings don't change the world.
Digital cameras and the internet are changing the world, and it's scientists and engineers who did that, not poets or artists or musicians.
Twitter, a social networking site originally intended to let teenage girls communicate with each other, is turning into a political tool to allow activists to coordinate protests in real time. Some dweeb programmer did that.
And they're doing a lot of their tweets using cellular phones. I myself helped with that, a little anyway.
I have no idea what's going to happen in Iran. Not a clue. But I know that what's happening now wouldn't have been the same fifteen years ago.
UPDATE: I am growing increasingly appalled at the silence from the Obama administration. I think I understand it, of course.
It goes against the grain for Obama to endorse Ahmadinejad's victory, when it was so obviously fraudulent. But if Obama comes out and endorses the protesters, and they lose, then he fears it will poison any chance he might have of negotiating with the Ahmadinejad government after things calm down. So he's waiting until he sees how things begin to resolve there, and in the mean time he isn't even willing to condemn the Iranian security forces for using live ammunition to shoot protesters.
I understand that. But it still makes him and us look lily-livered and unprincipled.
I have an intuitive feel that there's also some deer-in-the-headlights going on. Obama's world view is being shaken: this wasn't supposed to be happening. When he got elected and went on his world apology tour, it was supposed to usher in a new era in international relations where everyone would unclench their fist and begin to negotiate in a spirit of comity. After Obama made his speech to the Muslims in Cairo, the whole region was supposed to calm down and be less confrontative. And somehow it isn't happening like that. It's like he doesn't really have any idea just how to cope with how things actually are happening now.
UPDATE: Obama speaks -- but he doesn't say anything.
President Barack Obama says it's up to Iran to determine its own leaders. But he also says he's troubled by the situation in Iran and that it would be wrong to stay silent.
Yes? And? (crickets as Obama stays silent)
UPDATE: Here's his precise words:
Obviously, all of us have been watching the news from Iran. And I want to start by being very clear that it is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran’s leaders will be that we respect Iranian sovereignty and want to avoid the United States being the issue inside of Iran, which sometimes — the United States can be a handy political football, or discussions with the United States [can be]. Having said all that, I am deeply troubled by the violence I have been seeing on television. I think that the democratic process, free speech, the ability of people to peacefully dissent, all of those are universal values, and need to be respected. And whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, they are rightfully troubled.
Still sounds mealymouthed. What's with the passive voice? "...violence perpetrated on..." By whom?
And how about stop apologizing for America existing, OK?
UPDATE: Those of us who were adults in 1979 are having Carter flashbacks.
And that's the last thing I'm going to say on this thread. No more updates, OK?
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June 12, 2009
Character profiles
This guy has begun a series of character profiles which I've enjoyed reading. So far: Misaka Mikoto, Setsuna Sakurazaki, and Nagi-sama.
What I find most amusing is a summary score which gives a 1-10 rank on each of the following:
Moe Factor
Bishoujo Level
Loli Power
Yuri Grade
Coolness
Tsundere Rating
As you might imagine, Secchan has the highest yuri grade so far.
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The yuri grade for Nagi-sama seems rather low, especially considering the flashback in Episode 3.
C.T.
Posted by: cxt217 at June 12, 2009 04:33 PM (z7g1q)
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I wouldn't know, because I haven't seen it.
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June 09, 2009
Beavers -- nationwide problem
The NYTimes writes about the new scourge: beavers! (Via)
Speaking of which...
I haven't noticed any sign of them for a while. They ate all the bark they could reach off the tree they downed, but that happened at least a month ago. There's another tree that someone started chewing on, but it hasn't gotten chewed any further in a long time. My suspicion is that the county did some more trapping.
UPDATE: Man, you think we're crazy? World Record for Most People Dressed Up At Smurfs set
2510 of them.
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And stuff like this is why I have lost any sympathy for the pandas. Endanger a species like the beaver, and as soon as you let up, they rebuild. Do your absolute best to un-endanger the pandas. . . and they refuse to breed.
Posted by: metaphysician at June 09, 2009 01:03 PM (WPSw+)
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Building on metaphysician's comment (and possibly related to the Smurf post) I wonder if some species eventually evolve themselves into extinction all on their own, with no environmental changes. As I understand it, not only do pandas reproduce rarely, but they are also extremely picky eaters. Supposedly they will only eat a few types of bamboo, and only if the bamboo is close to vertical. If it is lying on the ground, or standing at too an great an angle, they will starve before eating it.
Posted by: Siergen at June 09, 2009 06:06 PM (aME+H)
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I'm sure it's happened, but there's no easy way to say when and where.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at June 09, 2009 06:52 PM (+rSRq)
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Judging by the behavior and rationale of some humans, it is possible to make the argument that the human race is heading toward that goal!
Posted by: cxt217 at June 09, 2009 07:10 PM (z7g1q)
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I don't know if it's my
Right Wing Authoritarianism or
Social Dominance Orientation coming out, but as I get older, I find myself having so much more sympathy for the megalomaniacal villains that want to destroy the bulk of the human race and start over with only the ones chosen for having the chosen traits (a modicum of sense, in my case).
Of course, I'm smarter than those jumped-up Bond villains are; I know it would be only three generations before we'd be right back in the same boat, with the lunatics running the asylum. So, since it's all pointless anyway, you are all safe from any world-destroying plots I might hatch.
Sleep well.
Posted by: ubu at June 09, 2009 08:39 PM (V1sPB)
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You guys make it sound like the fact that 2510 people dressed as smurfs means the human population deserves to be wiped off the face of the Earth.
C'mon, lighten up a bit, will ya? It's just some people (okay, a lot of people) having fun. They're
cosplayers, for heaven's sake. Next, you're gonna say that people collecting rubber duckies is a sign of apocalypse.
Silly is good.
Posted by: Wonderduck at June 09, 2009 09:03 PM (hlGBx)
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People having fun and being silly isn't the problem. People having fun and dressing up isn't the problem.
But 2500 Smurfs? SMURFS??? Good GOD man, at least they could have dressed up as Klingons, or something even more respectable!
Smurfs? Man, that's it. Civilization is over.
Posted by: ubu at June 10, 2009 05:50 AM (i7ZAU)
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I have to note, though, that 2500 Smurfettes would be no problem at all.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at June 10, 2009 07:35 AM (PiXy!)
Posted by: ubu at June 10, 2009 09:46 AM (i7ZAU)
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Hmmph. I regularly swim in the sewers of 4chan, and still haven't lost my faith in the human race. The natural world is way more simple, more ordinary, and more disgusting than anyone seems to realize, and humanity is the most adaptable, capable, and powerful thing that has ever evolved out of the mess. We can create complexity where there was none, build things that the natural world could never evolve in trillions of years, and actually clean ourselves and our environment up so well that entire generations of our own race can go from cradle to grave never realizing how nasty, brutish, and short life beyond the veils and walls really is.
If there is one thing that is unique about humanity, it's that we alone, out of all the rest of natural creation, have the sense to be ashamed of ourselves. That, I think, makes everything else worthwhile.
Posted by: Tatterdemalian at June 10, 2009 01:32 PM (TaHHC)
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Re: Smurfs - I believe Smurfette was originally intended to be another guy. So...
Re: Humans: I was actually not referring to the Smurf-wannabees as oppose to some of the other members of the human race (Berkeley residents, radical environmentalists, the script writers of Battlestar Galactica, et al.) who seems to be classic examples of a species that no longer believe in its own right to exist. If by probability there is intelligent, space-faring life among the stars, any species that no longer believes it its right to exist will be exterminated (If not necessarily by Daleks) by species who still do. In that sense, looking at some humans, it does feel like humans as a species is evolving toward extinction.
C.T.
Posted by: cxt217 at June 10, 2009 01:59 PM (z7g1q)
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A certain amount of "silly" could be said to be the sign of a society wealthy enough to afford the indulgence. I'm trying to design a Smurf on'a Stick fast food myself.
Posted by: toadold at June 10, 2009 04:44 PM (qc1aJ)
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June 06, 2009
May 31, 2009
Summer 2010
Don predicts some titles for the Summer 2010 season of anime.
That kind of satire is dangerous because it can fall victim to the "Network" effect. Network was a black comedy about the lengths to which the networks would go for ratings. And at the time, Paddy Chayevsky tried to be very outrageous, and to describe things happening which were completely off the wall.
What's terrifying about that movie is that if you watch it today, it doesn't seem farfetched at all. Life has imitated art, and Chayefsky's satire is looking more and more like prophecy.
Which is to say that as outrageous as Don's ideas are, I wouldn't want to bet that we won't see at least one of them.
(Especially because I have seen one of them, in a show that was produced more than ten years ago. I gave specifics in his comments.)
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I hear they're also planning a remake of
Zonbi Densetsu Shukun Space Taxi.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at June 01, 2009 05:58 AM (PiXy!)
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"What do you mean it wasn't a quiz?" *snickers*
Posted by: metaphysician at June 01, 2009 07:37 AM (WPSw+)
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Especially because I have seen one of them, in a show that was produced more than ten years ago.
And here I thought you meant Apocryphelion, the one with the Sumerian prophicies and angsty teens with large mecha. I just know I've seen that one somewhere...
Posted by: ubu at June 02, 2009 10:06 AM (i7ZAU)
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Steven, I chuckled when you mentioned how the news now resembles the parody that was Network. All they need to complete the transformation is the daily visit from the psychic reader (which we may already be getting - I don't watch that stuff anymore...)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 02, 2009 01:38 PM (ZbRVK)
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May 22, 2009
Konataism
John comes up with a gorgeous YouTube. I assume it's fan-drawn, but whoever did it is very talented.
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I wonder how much was shopped, and how much was original artwork...
I am reminded of your post on Flash and the potential of independent animation some months back.
Posted by: BigD at May 22, 2009 12:21 PM (LjWr8)
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