April 08, 2013
Spore
Is Spore any good?
I've been playing endless games of MoM, and Spider Solitaire, and it's beginning to wear. I tried some other games, and they just didn't feel like anything I'd want to do. The Heroes of Might and Magic games all seemed like things I'd want to play, but they crashed. And that's not acceptable.
I have odd tastes in games and this post is not a request for suggestions. (Suggestions for games are at least as useless as suggestions for anime series "you might want to consider".) In terms of the kind of things I do enjoy, Spore sounds like it would fit. But some of the reader comments at Newegg indicate that the game has unreasonable DRM. Is there a reason why I'd end up hating Spore on that kind of level?
Anyone here ever play it? What exactly is the deal with its DRM?
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At the time of release, Spore used some pretty nasty DRM. SecuROM, IIRC. It basically boiled down to a rootkit, albeit not the most horridly destructive one ever. It also had an obnoxious install limit, such that if you tried to install the game more than a certain amount of times, you'd have to fight with their customer service to get the count rolled back ( note, significant changes in hardware counted as a "new install" ). I am pretty sure this has been cut back heavily since then, though. The Steam version almost certainly has no DRM beyond Steam itself.
As for the game itself, my only recommendation is "grab the Galactic Adventures pack" if at all possible. My wife found the space stage somewhat unfinished prior to that.
Posted by: metaphysician at April 08, 2013 06:40 PM (3GCAl)
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Probably the version that Newegg is selling still has that awful DRM.
I've never done any Steam games before, but I know Pixy plays them and the Steam system isn't horrible. Maybe it's time for me to bite the bullet on that.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 08, 2013 06:44 PM (+rSRq)
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I have not played Spore - DRM issue was enough for me to pass, too many good games to play these days anyway.
Steam is a godsend for me, honestly. With weird hours, I can't always head down to the game store, but I can always press "download this" and have it just work. I won't say that it's never given me any trouble at all, but on a whole I'd have to say it's made my life better. Even those games which aren't available through it directly, are generally available directly from their manufacturers because of the competition.
That said, the last few months it's been mostly Mabinogi...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at April 08, 2013 08:01 PM (pWQz4)
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Steam itself is fine, but some games on Steam include additional DRM, and that's not always so good. It doesn't list any additional DRM for Spore, though, so it's probably okay.
Spore is... Well, it's fun, but the promised depth just isn't there. The Galactic Adventures expansion helps (indeed, should be considered essential), but even with that it's kind of shallow.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 08, 2013 08:01 PM (PiXy!)
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I am going to disagree with the majority because I throughly despise Steam, and dislike Firaxis for releasing XCOM: Enemy Unknown or XSEED for releasing the Ys games for the PC on Steam. I do not being forced to run a client when I am running a game, or being forced to update before playing. And I do not want to have to log in everytime I am playing a game on Steam.
Steam is better than other DRM but that is like getting bubonic plague is better than getting Lassa fever. Both still suck.
Posted by: cxt217 at April 08, 2013 08:31 PM (aDysA)
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If I install Steam, is it possible to uninstall it cleanly should I decide I don't like it?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 08, 2013 09:42 PM (+rSRq)
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I think so. Steam seems to be fairly clean of cruft these days.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 08, 2013 09:54 PM (PiXy!)
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The Steam
client itself doesn't pull any DRM tricks, so a correct uninstall (there are registry entries to clean up) should leave no tracks. Some titles you can download/install through Steam
do, however, install rootkits like SecuROM. (Apparently not Spore, but
caveat emptor)
Posted by: Douglas Oosting at April 08, 2013 09:58 PM (vtGjZ)
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Ugh, I bought Spore off Steam a while ago, only for Steam to suddenly drop it and all records of my purchase after Will Wright demanded they remove his entire portfolio so he could make everything exclusive to Origin, EA's competing digital content service. I also found out the hard way that installing Origin on a system that already has Steam installed will make it try to uninstall Steam, and failing that, try to brick your hard drive. I had to start from a fresh square one install, install Origin, and THEN install Steam to make them play nice together, and Origin still complains endlessly about Steam whenever it detects its presence. And after all that, I find that if I want Spore from Steam, I have to pay for it again because Valve doesn't have the records of the first time I paid twenty bucks for it. So far, it hasn't been worth it.
Posted by: Tatterdemalian at April 09, 2013 12:01 AM (4njWT)
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Being fair, that's not a problem with Steam, so much as a problem with EA trying to wage war on Steam.
Posted by: metaphysician at April 09, 2013 06:20 AM (3GCAl)
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OK, I guess it's no-go.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 09, 2013 06:47 AM (+rSRq)
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Steam is the absolute shiz-nit of game store clients. I've never seen it do something rude and when you close it, it closes, and same for an uninstall. Steam is loved by gamers (and game developers) because the company making it treats gamers nicely and also makes some of the best PC games around.
As for Spore, it's biggest problem is that it is boring. I'd make a suggestion...
Posted by: ForgottenBoy at April 09, 2013 11:21 AM (/BNuT)
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Steam is loved by gamers (and game developers) because the company making it treats gamers nicely and also makes some of the best PC games around.
Publishers may love releasing games on Steam (And not even all of them.), but most game developers are unhappy with Steam because of Valve's pricing of games, especially for discounts and sales, are very crappy from the developer's standpoint. Valve does not care because they get their cut and it cost them very little - the developers are the ones who get the shaft.
This is the big reason why Valve has been making a major pitch for the indie developers to release games on Steam - with the developer-hostile pricing policy and the availability of other avenues for digital releases, there is little incentive to release on Steam unless you are one of the big boys.
Posted by: cxt217 at April 09, 2013 12:12 PM (aDysA)
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Eh, it only "screws" the developers if their game doesn't actually gain a sales increase. Which, seeing as Steam sales correlate strongly with large increases in sales, and there is no per-unit cost worth mentioning? The only losses are in people who'd otherwise pay full price who buy it cheap, and there's no evidence that is a significant quantity versus the impulse buyers.
As for "the big boys," that's a weird inversion of reality, seeing as its the "big boy" EA who is doing its best to try and get away from Steam ( and failing because their own digital storefront sucks ).
Posted by: metaphysician at April 09, 2013 06:37 PM (3GCAl)
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As for "the big boys," that's a weird inversion of reality, seeing as its the "big boy" EA who is doing its best to try and get away from Steam ( and failing because their own digital storefront sucks ).
EA might have tried to be independent but other companies like 2K and Bethesda certainly are using Steam as de facto DRM (Which I am constantly reminded of when I start-up XCOM.), even for the physical copies of the titles. Otherwise there would be no need for me to download the entire game install for XCOM after I had installed from the DVD, or to log in everytime I want to play a single-player game. And I should not be forced to sit through patch updates if I want to play a game I own.
Eh, it only "screws" the developers if their game doesn't actually gain a sales increase. Which, seeing as Steam sales correlate strongly with large increases in sales, and there is no per-unit cost worth mentioning?
The explanation that was given to me was that the steep discounts Steam had on their sales, combined with Valve's cut of each sale, often reduced the marginal revenue for developers to absurdly low levels (IIRC, I seen as low as 10% quoted.), regardless of whether the developer wanted such steep discounts, and even for recently released games. It does not bother Steam since it increases their revenues and they get a cut of each sale regardless of how steep the discount. For indie developers, it is a major issue. Not every game is going to be as popular as Recettear.
I also do not like the idea of running ANY client in order to play a game that I bought, no matter how clean it is. I should not have to log in simply to play a game I have on my computer. Forcing me to run Steam even for a physical copy of a game I bought makes me feel like I am renting game that I paid full price for. At least when I play Shira Oka, I feel like I really own the game I bought.
Posted by: cxt217 at April 09, 2013 07:46 PM (aDysA)
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The explanation that was given to me was that the steep discounts Steam had on their sales, combined with Valve's cut of each sale, often reduced the marginal revenue for developers to absurdly low levels (IIRC, I seen as low as 10% quoted.), regardless of whether the developer wanted such steep discounts, and even for recently released games.
The explanation given to you seems to have been wrong, then. Steam don't force sales or specific discounts on developers; that's entirely voluntary. But they have shown time and again that steep short-term discounts lead to
a dramatic increase actual revenue:
"I remember there was a single hour of the sale where we sold more units than we usually sell in an entire day. As a result, the increase in volume vastly overshadowed the reduction in price, and the overall revenue increase was well worth it," Ambrogi said. "If we were given the chance to work with Steam again, or to participate in another promotion with them, we would be extremely unlikely to pass up the opportunity. They really know what they're doing."
P.S. Sorry Steven!
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 10, 2013 12:07 AM (PiXy!)
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"I also do not like the idea of running ANY client in order to play a game that I bought, no matter how clean it is. I should not have to log in simply to play a game I have on my computer. Forcing me to run Steam even for a physical copy of a game I bought makes me feel like I am renting game that I paid full price for. At least when I play Shira Oka, I feel like I really own the game I bought."
Having experienced one of the worse scenarios, where Steam apparently was legally forced by Will Wright to delete all records of its sales resulting in the game I paid for effectively not being mine any more unless I pay for it again, it's pretty much the same issues we have with banks. You give money to people whose behavior you can investigate but never truly predict, on the promise that they'll give it back when you need it, possibly with interest for being such a sport in trusting them with it and letting them use it to finance profitable factories or infrastructure improvements. The good news is that they know how to keep your money a lot safer than you possibly could, up to and including being able to repel minor armed attacks. The bad news is that there is always a chance they could tell you, "Sorry, we screwed up and trusted someone we shouldn't have, the bank is closing and there's no way to return a single penny of the money you gave us," or worse, "Sorry, sucker, it's MINE ALL MINE now! Nyahahahaha!"
Same with Steam and video games. If you lose your game CDs in a house fire, they're gone for good. But if you bought it through Steam, and they still remember that you paid (and are willing to honor that purchase), you can get all your games back as soon as you get a new computer with an internet connection. The down side is, with the ongoing war over who really has the right to intellectual and/or digital property, things like the Spore clusterfark are inevitable.
Posted by: Tatterdemalian at April 11, 2013 06:43 AM (4njWT)
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Oh, and as for Spore as a game... it's REALLY fun. There's a reason I still seriously consider dropping another 20 bucks on it, even though its graphics are now hilariously outdated. It's like they took my five favorite game types, trimmed them down to the essentials, and added enough customization to keep things interesting, while also giving you the option to skip all the customization and download shared templates from online for anything I didn't really care about. And going through the Civilization stage on Hard mode was absurdly difficult... even though you can pause at will, getting your forces built in sufficient quantities and moved to where they need to be to repel attacks turned into a real test of strategic resource management that you never would have imagined possible given the simple mechanics involved. It's like chess with maybe three pieces but an even more infinite world of possibilities.
Posted by: Tatterdemalian at April 11, 2013 07:00 AM (4njWT)
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November 04, 2012
A weird MOM bug
Yes, I'm still spending a lot of time playing Master of Magic. I don't seem to get tired of it.
I've recently noted a strange bug. If you have Suppress Magic going, and if you banish an enemy wizard, and if his "Spell of Return" fizzles, it leaves him in a strange kind of limbo.
There isn't any summoning circle or tower. He doesn't cast the Spell of Return again. He no longer has the ability to cast any spells on the overland map, in fact. But he can cast spells in combat, which really shouldn't be possible. Even so, it leaves him seriously crippled, permanently.
If you get all your remaining opponents into this state, you can cancel your Suppress Magic spell. It isn't necessary thereafter.
UPDATE: I forgot the strangest thing about this strange limbo: if they cast Recall Hero, the hero leaves the combat. But where does he go? Well, if you razed his capital city, then they appear in the empty space where that city used to be. If you captured it, then they never show up again. I'm not sure where they are, or if they've been destroyed or not, but they're out of the game.
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You know what the funniest thing about MoM glitches is? You can so often imagine that they mean something in-setting. Like in this case, "clearly" the result is locking the wizard in a ghost-like state of half-reality, there presence free to float about the world and exert some influence locally, but unable to gain enough hold on the manasphere to truly reshape the world.
Posted by: metaphysician at November 04, 2012 06:59 PM (3GCAl)
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I've got a game going now where I've got Rjak and Tlaloc in this state. (Jafar and Sharee are dead.) I've left them alone for maybe a hundred turns, and soon I'm going to cast Nature Awareness and see what they've been up to. Just how much can they do when they're limited only to conventional units, requiring food and gold?
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October 07, 2012
Wow plague, again
Remember the "corrupted blood" plague a few years ago? Something like that has happened again.
Someone just found a hack that permitted them to kill off entire cities in WOW, players and NPCs alike. The programmers at Blizzard say they've found and fixed the vulnerability, but we'll see.
I wonder what it was? Another Blizzard own-goal, like last time?
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I was logged in when it happened--all of a sudden I started getting "server reboot" countdown messages. Whatever it was took 'em a couple of hours to recover from--either that or it was a couple million people trying to log back in all at once...
Posted by: RickC at October 08, 2012 09:23 AM (XjAmE)
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This sort of behavior is actually evidence
against the hypothesis that what we call reality is actually just an elaborate simulation on some huge computer. If we were just a simulation, we'd periodically have mass die-offs caused by some jerk hacker from the "real world". Something on the order of, oh, every 65 million simulated years or so...
Posted by: Siergen at October 08, 2012 11:27 AM (Bv5ty)
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at October 08, 2012 03:05 PM (e9h6K)
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Being fair, this is a different, and IMO much less interesting, bug. The corrupted blood glitch was an actual hole in the game logic that allowed the plague to spread outside the dungeon; griefers helped it along, but at no point was the game code hacked or altered in any way, and it *could* happen accidentally.
This is, by all accounts I've heard, a hacker who just temporarily stole GM override commands for a while. A flaw in system security rather than world integrity.
Posted by: metaphysician at October 08, 2012 04:45 PM (3GCAl)
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Even with that privilege, it's really pretty amazing he was able to do something so vicious. Killing individual characters I can believe. But there was some way of doing a wildcard "kill everything that's moving" in the city? I can't imagine why even the DMs need such a thing.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at October 08, 2012 06:01 PM (+rSRq)
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The City of Heroes developers and GMs have a "Kill all NPCs in this zone" power, primarily for testing on the development servers. However it can also be used if something goes wrong on a live servers, such as thousands of NPCs spawning instead of dozens, or to clear an instanced map when players get stuck by a bugged mission.
However, as far as I know, there is no "Kill all players" power in City of Heroes (other than the publisher canceling the game). I recall reading a post by one of the game's founders on how he was playing a low-level character during one of their early Beta tests, and a group of higher-level testers kept trying to get him killed. He had no GM-ability to affect them directly, so he just caused the game to spawn a number of giant monsters on them...
Posted by: Siergen at October 08, 2012 06:35 PM (Bv5ty)
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"Adds." In MMORPG terms, extra monsters that appear mid-fight, either as an ability of another monster, or a scripted event (more guards rush in every 45 seconds, etc.). Horse up the code, or have players find some exploit, so you get way more than designed.
Spawn them fast enough that the client software can't keep up with the data. (I've been in fights like that.) Now you can use a "nuke all the monsters", especially if it's a big public zone that won't reset itself when all the players crash out of it.
Add some script-driven "players" farming them for XP and loot (when there aren't enough to crash the clients). Now you've got a situation where "nuke the whole zone, player or otherwise" is convenient, since such scripts are likely to log themselves out when they get input outside their parameters (death in a "safe" place, private messages from someone who might be a GM...)
(Messing with cheaters in-game is one of my hobbies. Er, meta-hobbies.)
Posted by: Mikeski at October 08, 2012 06:35 PM (1bPWv)
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Based on a youtube video I saw, I think it was a single-target kill command; the attacker just had it macro'd, so he could TAB/macro his way through everybody within LOS within a matter of seconds.
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April 17, 2012
HOMM3 -- bad end
In baseball, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes it rains.
In a computer game, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes Windows pops up a box saying the game has executed an illegal operation and will be terminated.
And that's happened to me the last two times I tried to play Heroes of Might and Magic 3. It rather takes the fun out of the game. Yeah, the game auto-saves, though I don't have the slightest idea how often, but that's no answer. The second time I was only about three turns into the game when it died. It isn't worth dealing with something that unreliable. (I'm also really tired of the game locking up for a second or two every time it decides to play a special sound. At least that's what I conjecture it's doing; I play with the sound muted.)
The crashes may not be the fault of the game; they may be the fault of the "high definition" modified-version of the game that I'm using, which permits me to run the thing at a reasonable size on my 1920*1080 display.
If I run the standard version, it goes into full screen mode, and the aspect ratio is crap so it looks weird. If I hit F4, which is supposed to switch it from full-screen to windowed mode, it tells me I can only do that if my Windows desktop is set to 16-bit graphics mode.
And I'll be damned if I'll change my display settings just to play this SOB.
There's one last chance here: I also have HOMM4. It was created later, and maybe, just maybe, it plays nicer with modern Windows computers. But I'm not really very enthusiastic about trying it. I'm feeling just a bit gunshy at this point.
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If you have XP Mode, it might circumvent these problems.
Posted by: RickC at April 17, 2012 07:07 PM (WQ6Vb)
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I actually remember the game being pretty unstable when it was released. Of course *everything* was unstable back then... If I'm remembering right, it was pretty picky about a lot of things such as video driver version, certain processors, etc. There was a period when XP was fairly new that I had three computers, and some games would only run reliably on one of the three, and which one it was varied from game to game. I don't know how you'd correct for those kind of issues when trying to run such a game on a modern machine, although XP mode might help, and certainly couldn't hurt. But I certainly wouldn't jump through that level of hoops when I could just move to the next iteration of the game.
Posted by: David at April 17, 2012 07:22 PM (Kn54v)
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Sorry to hear about the stability problems. I suspect you are correct about the HD modification being the problem. I run the GOG version of HOMM3 in fullscreen with a lower resolution (which is how I remember the game anyway, so it does not bother me) and have had no stability issues at all.
Which as David noted is certainly a nice change from the original release, which was quite buggy way back when. HOMM3 had at least 4 patch versions that I remember and maybe more. (Just checked, and I still have the patches!

)
I am not sure if HOMM4 would be more stable or not, as I have not tried the GOG version of it.
Posted by: haphazard1 at April 18, 2012 10:33 PM (9yBYR)
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April 13, 2012
HOMM 3 -- manuals
It's pretty evident that I'll get nowhere in this game without the manuals. Of course, I don't have manuals. What I have is PDF files. So what to do?
Well, the obvious solution is to move them onto the Kindle Fire. Then I can access them while playing the game.
So I tried copying them into the "Docs" directory on the Fire. And then turned on the device, and there was nothing there but a message saying I should send documents to myname@kindle.com. (My actual name.) So I sent them there, all 23 megabytes or so. Took a LONG time.
And nothing showed up. I finally noticed a pair of buttons on top labelled "cloud" and "device". The default is "cloud". When I switched to "device" then they showed up.
Presumably eventually they'll show up in the cloud, too, but I don't really care.
By the way, they look great. But I have to use the Fire in portrait mode; otherwise the text is too bitty to read with my old eyes.
(If that hadn't worked, I could have used the Slate, of course. I may still end up doing that, because it has a larger screen.)
UPDATE: They did show up, but as potential downloads in the "Device" rather than in the cloud. Since they were duplicates, they didn't actually download. Instead, there were "x" marks on top of the icons, and clicking them deleted them.
Nonetheless, Amazon has made a tremendous mistake here, and eventually someone is going to notice and take advantage of it. If you know someone's Amazon account name (and while not exactly public knowledge it isn't really a secret either), then you can email graphical spam in the form of a PDF file to theirname@kindle.com and it will get downloaded onto their device automagically. I'm going to try sending a different PDF file to myself to see if it requires me to click to download it, or it comes automatically.
It doesn't really matter, though. How long before every Kindle owner's "doc" directory is loaded up with icons offering herbal drug-equivalents and get-rich-quick schemes and all the other stuff we all know and loath?
UPDATE: They have an app for it, but it isn't required. Ordinary email is all you need if you know the account name.
UPDATE: They download automatically. You don't have to approve.
This will end very badly. Good thing they can push firmware updates, because they're eventually going to have to. They've left a barn door wide open here, and it will get abused.
Actually, I don't yet know that for sure. It is barely possible that Amazon has connected my email address to my account name, and only accepted the document because it was mailed by me. One more experiment in the works.
UPDATE: I was wrong! They did think this through. Just now J did me a favor and tried sending me a PDF file. I got an email acknowledgement, but the file itself isn't on my Kindle.
So I tender my apologies to the folks at Amazon for doubting them.
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April 12, 2012
HOMM3 -- first real game
It didn't last very long. I lost my hero in the first week, and gave up.
I don't quite understand what happened. I moved into a dwarven town, and the defending force was obviously too much for me, so I hit the "retreat" button. The popup said no one on either side lost anyone.
And then my hero and my whole stack were gone. There was some sort of popup about him being mugged, or something like that. So I killed the window.
The scenario is called "Arrogance", and I was trying to play it at the easiest possible setting. For all the good that did me.
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Hrrrm. It's been ages since I've played any of the HOMM games, though I did spend a good bit of time on them when they first came out. Don't know what happened there.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 12, 2012 08:06 PM (PiXy!)
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When you "retreat", you do not get the hero back. Instead, the hero (along with artifacts) reappears in your tavern, to be hired again. All the troops are lost.
The purpose of the "retreat" command is to preserve a good hero in defeat, not to cancel out of a battle.
You can also "surrender" when fighting another player, in which case you must pay some ransom gold, but get to keep all troops.
Even in defeat, heroes are not killed, and they never lose their level and skills. They will eventually be available for hire again, but not necessarily on your side.
Basic advices:
Nearly everything in the game can be right-clicked for help or vital information.
The troops available for hire, whether in towns or in map buildings, are replenished at the beginning of each week.
Flaggable buildings on the map offer continuous benefits. Claiming them is essential to the game. These include mines (generate resources) or troop generators (which other than offering troop for hire, also boosts troop growth of the same type in your towns)
Much of the game is using your heroes to grab benefitial objects on the map. You'll need multiple heroes to do that. Later you'll also need to use idle heroes to ferry troops to your main hero.
Build town halls at the start of your game. They provide additional daily income.
There is no concept of maintenance or troop limits in the game.
The castle faction (humans) is for beginners. Inferno (demons) and fortress (swamp) are for advanced players.
Posted by: cuc at April 13, 2012 01:50 AM (ly+de)
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Oh, I forgot:
When you start a game and hired one or two additional heroes, move their starting
troops to your main hero. Only your main heroes need to fight battles
and gain experience. You'll learn which objects on the map contain
battles and which don't.
Posted by: cuc at April 13, 2012 02:04 AM (ly+de)
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When assigning troops, use shift-click to split a stack.
During battle, you may want to turn on the hex grid and other displays. Click on the computer button at the bottom left for combat options.
No worry, HOMM is the easiest-to-learn big name strategy game ever.
Posted by: cuc at April 13, 2012 02:20 AM (Gze9f)
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cuc covered a lot of good points. A couple additional thoughts:
- If you are defending a town, you can not retreat. (Unless that town is a Stronghold type and has a special Escape Tunnel improvement built.) So be very careful about defending towns if you don't have enough troops to hold it. It can be better to flee and let the enemy have it, rather than risking the loss of a well-developed hero.
- If you right-click an enemy hero or a stack of monsters, you get a summary of their strength. This can range from "A few" (1-3) to "A pack" (maybe 20?) to "Lots" (50-70) all the way up to "Zounds!" (500+). Check this information on everything you can see to decide who you can fight and who should be left for later. At the start of a map, there will usually be quite a few enemies who are much too powerful to attack. These are positioned to block expansion into new areas of the map or to keep especially useful things out of your hands until you are stronger.
- These early strong monsters may also prevent AI heroes from reaching you, giving you time to develop your forces. Sometimes it is a good thing to have a big stack of something nasty around.
- The random monsters around the map grow in numbers with each passing week. So a stack of Minotaurs (random example) that shows as "Several" in week one might have grown to "A pack" by week 4.
- Each of the random monster stacks around the map have an attitude factor. Some of them hate you and will always fight. Others will offer to join you in return for gold. Still others will agree to join you because they support your cause. There is no general way to tell which is which from the map, but there are some spells and hero abilities that can help reveal attitude and even persuade monsters to a more favorable result.
Oh, and that dwarf town: dwarves are s_l_o_w. Terribly, terrible slow. And your heroes' movement on the main map is determined by the slowest unit in their army. I tend to leave dwarves at home unless I have nothing else.
Elves are cool, though.
Posted by: haphazard1 at April 13, 2012 06:01 PM (9yBYR)
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As for factions, I agree that the Castle town (humans with pikes, archers, swordsmen, etc.) is one of the easier factions to learn and play. Pretty good town improvements available at reasonable costs, a decent and balanced army at lower levels, and with excellent high-end units.
The Inferno (demons) is more of a mid-range faction. I would also include Rampart (dwarves and elves, magic forest town), Dungeon (subterranean critter town), and Necropolis (the undead) in the middle difficulty group.
The tougher factions, at least for my play style, are fortress (swamp town), tower (snow town of wizards, very magic oriented), and especially stronghold (orcs).
All town types can be powerful if you can develop them and learn to make good use of their creatures. But some are definitely easier to learn than others.
Posted by: haphazard1 at April 13, 2012 06:13 PM (9yBYR)
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All this Heroes discussion motivated me to crawl into the depths of my closet and pull out the old media folders. I have Heroes III and V, but not IV for some reason. It will be interesting to see if I can get III installed and patched up to where it will play, or if your version has something special to it.
Posted by: David at April 13, 2012 06:32 PM (Kn54v)
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Well, the HOMM3 which is being sold by GOG includes the Armageddon's Blade expansion pack and the Shadow of Death expansion pack. For whatever that's worth. (For me it was worth $5, which is what I paid.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 13, 2012 07:45 PM (+rSRq)
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The expansion packs add a new town type, the Elemental Conflux, which is built around elementals and other "neutral" creatures. If I am remembering correctly, it also adds multi-part artifacts (such as the namesake Armageddon's Blade) and improves support for more elaborate quests. There are also new campaigns and maps to play. A pretty good deal for $5, if you like the base HOMM3 gameplay.
Another option to consider if you enjoy HOMM3 is Heroes: Chronicles, which I just picked up from GOG myself during the sale. There are 8 "chapters" each of which seems to be an 8 map campaign centered around one of the 8 town types. The whole thing is linked together as one big storyline. There are a few new creatures, but otherwise it is a standalone version of the HOMM3 engine that plays the new campaigns. (No additional maps or choose your own game options, just the campaigns.)
I have played the first 3 maps so far and have enjoyed it, even if the first chapter is about my least favorite town type: Stronghold. :-( Beware the might of my orcish armies!
Posted by: haphazard1 at April 14, 2012 12:40 PM (9yBYR)
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April 11, 2012
Heroes of Might and Magic II -- full screen
HOMM2 runs on this machine. But it's a DOS game, and it runs in full screen mode. Problem there is that this is a 1920*1080 display (i.e. 16:9) and they're using a 4:3 display mode (probably 800*600), so all the graphics are massively distorted.
The first one almost certainly is the same. So it looks like I'm going to have to dive into the series with version 3.
UPDATE: 3 is not a DOS game, but it too runs full screen, in a 4:3 mode. Looks like I'm going to have to check into the HD patch.
UPDATE: OK, that works.
But the tutorial is less than totally helpful. I guess I need to read the manual to learn how you end a turn. I can't find any button to do it, and since I assume the game is expected to be more than one turn, there must be a magic keystroke that does it.
UPDATE: Aha! There is a button! (but I had to reach page 20 of the manual to find that out.)
UPDATE: OK, and I have completed the tutorial game, which of course is ridiculously simple. I didn't bother with the tutorial manual, so it probably took me a lot longer than it should have. But it was fun, and I did enjoy it.
I won't be ready to advance beyond "Simple" for quite a while, though. And I didn't take advantage of everything I had. For instance, at one point I learned a spell, "Magic Arrow", but I didn't end up using it in the final battle.
Still, not at all bad. But the patch is pretty much essential, if you're running it on a modern computer with a display that isn't 4:3. (Does anyone make 4:3 displays any longer? Not if they're LCDs, they don't. My iPaq's display is 480*640, but it isn't a PC, and every other display around here is wider per height.)
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You make me nostalgic for the days when manuals actually would *have* a 20th page. . .
Posted by: metaphysician at April 11, 2012 07:10 PM (3GCAl)
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You make me nostalgic for the days when manuals actually would *have* a 20th page. . .
He makes me nostalgic for the days when manuals would actually be included in the box...
Posted by: Wonderduck at April 11, 2012 08:57 PM (PVVuW)
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Generally speaking, your video card driver should have the option to "stretch", "retain ratio" or "center" when the resolution is lower than standard. Your monitor often has these options too.
The DOS games on GOG.com are all played through DOSBox, which means they can be windowed by alt-entering, or configured to run at double size (in case the details are too tiny on 1920x1080).
Posted by: cuc at April 11, 2012 10:31 PM (ly+de)
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I'm using a high-power notebook computer. Strictly speaking, there is no "card".
I've heard about those settings in the past, and I've hunted carefully and found no such choices on this computer.
In any case, HOMM3 with the patch works fine, so I don't need any other solution.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 11, 2012 11:04 PM (+rSRq)
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He makes me nostalgic for the days when manuals would actually be included in the box...
Not this time. The manuals are all PDF files. It was an electronic delivery. No box, no disks, nothing but bits coming down my pipe.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 11, 2012 11:05 PM (+rSRq)
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The most likely place for the "don't stretch video" is in the bios.
Or if you were using an external LCD, it's menu might have such an option.
If you turn it on, of course, you'll get a tiny area in the center of the laptop's actual display, which is a different kind of just as bad.
Posted by: RickC at April 12, 2012 05:40 AM (Tn7Hp)
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Why are you guys trying to solve a problem which has already been solved? Please stop.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 12, 2012 06:01 AM (+rSRq)
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I threw extra money at the
Wasteland 2 project on Kickstarter to get the "big box" edition with a printed manual. I miss the days when you could weigh the quality of the game by, um, weighing the quality of the game.
You can still get 4:3 / 5:4 monitors if you hunt around (e.g.
this Dell) but they tend to be expensive. The iPad is 4:3, and the latest version is 2048x1536; I wish someone would make that panel into an external display.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 12, 2012 07:30 AM (PiXy!)
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Magic Arrow is one of those spells that I find to only be useful in the very beginning of a map, when stacks are small and low-tier.
Lightning is better, but you have to get all the way to Chain lighting (Tier-4? I can't remember) to get a go-to spell.
Posted by: BigD at April 12, 2012 07:57 AM (qLkdZ)
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I find Magic Arrow least useful at the beginning of a map, because your heroes are also very weak at that stage. (Unless you have heroes carried over from a previous step of a campaign, which is a whole different ball of wax.) If you can develop a hero with a decent Power stat, or supplement it with a nice artifact, then you can do quite useful damage for very small mana cost with Magic Arrow.
Chain Lightning can be tremendous fun.

Although you have to be careful with it.... Solmyr is one of my favorite heroes, because he starts with Chain Lightning as his special skill. It is completely unbalanced, and tremendously fun.
When my heroes are still weak and can't do much damage with direct spells, I usually stick to buffs/debuffs and try to get the most I can out of my troops. An occasional Haste or Slow on the right target can make a big difference tactically. Using Bless on a low-level unit that has highly variable damage is also one of my favorites ways to get value from heroes with minimal magic skills.
Posted by: haphazard1 at April 12, 2012 07:16 PM (9yBYR)
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April 09, 2012
Heroes of Might and Magic
I just bought and downloaded the first four HOMM games from Good Old Games. They were on sale, but that was just fortuitous.
I've played so damned much Master of Magic that I think I'm wearing out the bits. It really is time to find something else I can enjoy. (Please note that this post is not a request for suggestions about other games besides these.)
So I decided to give the HOMM series a try. Way back, I bought the first game, and wasn't very impressed by it. But Wikipedia says that it was the second release where they really hit their stride, and that was the one that made a name for the franchise.
It must have been popular, since they just released the sixth one last year. But that alone doesn't prove that I would enjoy it.
What I found interesting was the size of the installers:
HOMM: 62 MB
HOMM 2: 283 MB
HOMM 3: 820 MB
HOMM 4: 948 MB
Yikes! #2, #3, and #4 include all their respective expansion packs, but still!
When I originally bought them, I figured I'd use the sequence to learn the system, so I'd play the first one until I got comfortable with it, then move to the second, and so on. But between my memory of finding the first one rather dull, and the Wikipedia statement that the second one was widely regarded as being vastly better than the first, I'm thinking about diving straight into #2.
I'm just worried about the learning curve. Anyone who remembers these games, do I really need to play the first one before trying to learn the second? (I solicit advice on this point. As long as it doesn't include the phrase "You might also want to consider...")
Actually, I'm considering diving straight into the third one. The first two games installed DOSBox, but the third one didn't.
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The second one is where the formula came together. I don't see any need to play 1. 3 is basically 2 with a few extra goodies, but I don't remember anything really different in terms of mechanics; ISTR feeling it was largely milking the same formula for all that it was worth. You'll probably be fine starting there.
I don't really remember 4 at all; it's possible I never played it.
It's vaguely like MoM, only strategic movement requires a (non-fighting) hero to lead your stack, and tactical combat takes place on a hex grid. I found magic to be either too weak (most spells), or curb-stomping (certain spells like Chain Lightning, or Armageddon with a hero sporting nothing but Black Dragons).
It's been years since I played it, but the tutorial, followed by the campaign, should be enough to teach you the basics. Basically, between the high move and low hero count, you have to constantly decide how aggressive to be. Most maps reward a very aggressive initial game to gain resource sites (and one-shot hero-upgrade sites), followed by a retrenchment and buildup, defeating enemy stacks in the field, and then hitting their castles with high-tier units in late-game. There are different ways to play, and some campaign missions force you to use them, but that always seemed fairly reliable.
Posted by: Big D at April 09, 2012 04:43 PM (qLkdZ)
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OK, that's good to know. And it's also good to know that they included a tutorial game.
So I guess I will skip the first one. Probably I should pick it up with #2.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 09, 2012 06:32 PM (+rSRq)
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I played several versions, but I forget which ones. I know the first one I played was decent, the next one was better, and the one after that didn't hold my attention long at all. I would suspect it was 2, 3, and 4, but it could have been 3. 4, and 5.
Posted by: David at April 09, 2012 06:42 PM (Kn54v)
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According to Wikipedia, the first four were created by a company called New World Computing.
They were eventually acquired by Ubisoft, who created #5. A guy named Jon Van Caneghem is credited as the writer for the first three. Someone else wrote the fourth one, and then with #5 it seems to be an entirely different development team.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 09, 2012 07:25 PM (+rSRq)
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It's not often that I feel qualified to chime in, but since I actually played games 2 through 5 as they came out, here we go:
1: Never played it, have never been told that I ought to, either.
2: Arguably the purest/best of the lot, this is the defining HoMM game. Everything that comes later is a refinement, tweak, expansion or re-jiggering of this one.
3: Actually my favorite, because I like many of the refinements, tweaks and re-jiggerings in this rendition over 2. Think of 3 as the "fun one" while 2 is the "pure one." If that makes sense.
4: I've a soft spot for HoMM4 while many purists loathe it. Introduces a "your hero gets down & dirty with the critters in combat" mechanic, in tandem with a "your critters can wander the countryside hero-less to pick up stuff" ability. Also, the hex-field combat maps aren't actually hexes, more of a free-form... thing. Kind of weird, but I like it.
And for chuckles...
5: HoMM gone 3D with a whole new publisher & everything. Surprisingly good, though the grand scale of the earlier games is chopped down to accommodate all the 3D-ness. All in all, I like it, but it's nowhere near as engrossing as the earlier titles. Combat maps are divided into squares instead of hexes, if that matters. (It really doesn't.)
6: Avoid like the plague, apparently... Ubi has saddled it with an "always-online" DRM scheme that is known to break your saves and do other random violence upon your hard-earned enjoyment. Sigh.
Posted by: GreyDuck at April 09, 2012 08:35 PM (Buiw/)
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I am a big fan of this series, particularly the third one. Fun turn based 4x games.
I second most everything GreyDuck said. 2 is when the series really came together and established its identity. 3 extended the magic model significantly and added a lot of bells and whistles, and is my favorite. Although I spent many, many, many happy hours playing 2 and the expansions for 2, 3 is the one I come back to every 18 months or so to play some more, just because it is so enjoyable.
I was one of the people who did not like 4 as well as the previous games, although it is still interesting. Putting the heroes directly on the battle field changed many aspects of the game in ways I did not like much.
I enjoy the balance and trade offs of deciding where to invest your limited resources: more heroes to have more actors on the field, economy for more resources in the future, more units to expand now, building up your towns for higher tier units later, pushing magic to turn your heroes into army-killing terrors.

It definitely has that one-more-turn, watch your empire grow, hey how did it get to be 3 AM feel that characterizes really good games.
Posted by: haphazard1 at April 09, 2012 09:33 PM (9yBYR)
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Play Heroes III with the utility, Heroes 3 HD. Other than allowing higher resolution support, it also includes a lot of small bug fixes, and even some additional features, all of which are optional.
http://sites.google.com/site/heroes3hd/
Posted by: cuc at April 10, 2012 07:59 AM (yfVp2)
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March 06, 2012
XCOM reboot
Sid Meier has got the rights to XCOM, and Firaxis is creating a modern version.
It's still turn-based! But the graphics are beyond belief. Check 'em out!
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Yup. After hearing about the XCOM-In-Name-Only FPS that 2K Marin was making, the news and the current info about XCOM from Firaxis was one of the best surprises so far this year. Firaxis' reboot is looking a lot better and a lot more promising than the other guys'.
C.T.
Posted by: cxt217 at March 06, 2012 05:01 PM (UF6gA)
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I have been looking forward to this one since it was announced. I am a bit skeptical of some of the changes, particularly removing time units. But it is certainly more promising than the FPS game being made.
There were some good interviews with the dev team at Rock Paper Shotgun a while back, that had a bit more depth on the changes and the thoughts behind them than this short clip could fit in.
Posted by: haphazard1 at March 06, 2012 06:24 PM (9yBYR)
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I...
oh my. Firaxis, just take my wallet and give it back when you're done.
Posted by: Wonderduck at March 06, 2012 06:40 PM (O9XO8)
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I'm more interested in the remake to Carrier Command that's coming out.
http://www.carriercommand.com/
Lord knows, I spent enough time playing the original when I was stationed in Korea in 1989.
Posted by: Mark A. Flacy at March 06, 2012 06:42 PM (Lbkvv)
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Definitely on the watch-list.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at March 06, 2012 08:28 PM (pWQz4)
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Woohoo! I somehow missed this news, though I knew about the XINO* shooter.
If we can get a new Wasteland game and a new party-based tactical RPG from Obsidian, I'll be in happy-land for the rest of the year.
* XCOM in name only.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 06, 2012 09:53 PM (PiXy!)
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And from that video, they seem to have got it exactly right. Preserving the turn-based tactical gameplay while refining the mechanics and boosting the graphics into low Earth orbit.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 06, 2012 09:54 PM (PiXy!)
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The Sectoids sure look amazingly good. I wonder what they'll do with the other races?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at March 07, 2012 12:05 AM (+rSRq)
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Maxis has just announced SimCity 5, scheduled for next year. It's a good time to be alive!
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 07, 2012 03:18 AM (PiXy!)
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If only Sid Meyer wasn't writing the plot. It will put a stake through the heart of the franchise if he makes the aliens turn out to be the good guys, kidnapping humans in an attempt to preserve our species on some kind of cosmic ark before we destroy ourselves with global warming, even though we're so violent they have to frequently fight their way back to their ships after rescuing worthy humans.
Posted by: Tatterdemalian at March 07, 2012 06:37 AM (4njWT)
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Where do you get *that* idea from?
Posted by: metaphysician at March 07, 2012 10:19 AM (3GCAl)
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That was the plot of the cancelled
Railroads! sequel, I think.
Posted by: Wonderduck at March 07, 2012 04:41 PM (O9XO8)
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I really should not recommend them, but Game Informer (Gamestop's in-house inpromptu toilet - I mean, their in-house magazine.) did a detailed write-up on Firaxis' XCOM in their February issue. They also have it online, if you do not want to read it at the local Gamestop.
Posted by: cxt217 at March 07, 2012 05:12 PM (UF6gA)
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I'm referring to all the "executive meddling" that takes place in games that bear the Sid Meier label (though I am exaggerating a bit). I don't see how anyone bought that excuse in the first place, given that Meier WAS the chief executive in all his games as far back as Colonization.
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I more mean, where would the idea he'd throw something like that in come from? Of the Sid Meier games I've played, the only one even vaguely similar is Alpha Centauri, and reducing the game to a cliche enviro-aesop is really not doing the game justice.
Posted by: metaphysician at March 09, 2012 07:48 PM (3GCAl)
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It's not just the environmentalism, but the common theme in all his games is that every side is morally equivalent, no different from any other except in name. Somehow I don't think that bodes well for Sid Meier's X-Com being the sort of "human underdogs vs. overpowered evil alien maurauders" plot that the previous games were.
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February 29, 2012
MOM -- resetting the high scores
Does anyone know how to reset the Master of Magic Hall of Fame, short of uninstalling and reinstalling the game? I can't figure out where the thing is stored.
I noticed something interesting. There are ten Champions:
Mystic X
Aerie
Deth Stryke
Elana
Roland
Mortu
Alorra
Sir Harold
Ravashack
Warrax
And five colors of magic. It turns out that there are two champions per color, and you can only get champions as a function of which spell books you have. Mortu and Ravashack only appear if you have black. Elana and Roland require white. Warrax requires red. I'm pretty sure that Alorra requires green. I'm not totally sure about which colors the others are associated with, but I am sure that they have them.
I've been messing around with using Warrax as a board-clearer. Once he's up a couple of levels, and properly equipped, he can wipe out anything except that he's helpless against Sky Drakes.
UPDATE: I just did an experiment to check on this, and I was wrong. Mortu and Ravashack do require black, and Roland and Elana do require white, but the others don't align with any color.
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I had never noticed that. I would think I've experienced exceptions, but they may have occurred after finding an extra retort.
My favorites are Mystic X and Warrax. Get them over 30 spell damage, and enjoy your curbstomp.
Posted by: BigD at February 29, 2012 06:46 PM (qLkdZ)
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I tried one game where I paired those two and ran around the board with them, and it was indeed impressive -- except that they can't fight Sky Drakes. For those I used summoned Great Wyrms with Flight and Iron Skin.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 29, 2012 07:15 PM (+rSRq)
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The other thing I was doing was to run a mismatched pair. Ravashack and Mortu work really well, because they can even take Sky Drakes. It was fun; Ravashack was fast enough to outrun them, and they chased Ravashack and totally ignored Mortu, who killed two Sky Drakes per turn without taking any damage in exchange.
Elana and Roland were exactly the same.
But having Warrax and Mystic X both equipped with major staffs was fun, too. Walk into a battle, hit "auto", and watch them machine-gun the enemies. Pretty cool.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 29, 2012 07:17 PM (+rSRq)
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