January 13, 2008
OK, I'm sold. I'm going to be setting up a paypal account in a few minutes so that I can purchase the full version of Zoomplayer (the one that permits DVD playback).
I used the free version to rewatch part of Dai Mahou Touge again. That series really is good; it's scandalous that no one has licensed it yet. I'd love to see a sequel. It feels like there's a lot of juice left in the concept -- at least 8 more episodes worth, at the very least.
Mostly what I watched were the two sub-episodes featuring Pyun and Potaro, Punie's kid sisters. There are a lot of really good things in this show, but they're the best of the lot.
With its default settings, full screen playback looked like crap with Zoomplayer. I did some looking around and discovered that it's possible to choose a different renderer. It had defaulted to something called "VMR7", but I looked in the documentation and the prefered choice seems to be "VMR9 Windowless". Having done that, there's another menu which currently says "Haali Video Renderer". Opening that one is a terrifying experience because on this machine it lists a couple hundred choices. 27 of them are from Cyberlink. I didn't count them, but it looks like there's about 50 from Nero.
Probably if I knew which one to choose, one of the Cyberlink entries would be the best. But I'm afraid to mess with it.
Having chosen VMR9, full screen playback of the Dai Mahou Touge looks better, but still a bit rough. It isn't as clean as PowerDVD.
Like all semi-pro software, the documentation suffers. It only took me a couple of minutes to figure out how to change the default destination director for frame grabs, but it took about fifteen minutes to figure out how to do a frame grab. No matter how hard I tried I could not locate that in the help file I downloaded.
Eventually, I noticed in the player setup frames there was a choice which listed all the hot keys. I copied that and pasted it into Notepad, and then searched for "capture" and discovered that you do it with Alt-F. Hokay...
There are a ridiculous number of preset hot keys. Every alpha, every alt-alpha, every shift-alpha, and every control-alpha, and also Home, PgUp, PgDn, End, comma, period, and a swarm of others. The vast majority of them are for things I'd never want to do. I gather it's possible to change those; eventually I will get annoyed.
I'm used to using "p" to capture frames, and PgUp to go back 10 seconds, and PgDn to go forward 10 seconds. I'd like to set those up -- but it ain't urgent, and maybe it would be better for me to just get used to the defaults.
Anyway, now to go play paypal.
UPDATE: Two surprises.
First, you don't need to have a Paypal account to use Paypal to buy things. They're serving as a credit card processor now. I wish I'd known that; I set up an account first and now I wish I hadn't. (I wonder if I can tell Paypal to get rid of it?)
Second:
Your registration is now being processed, this may take up to 72 hours (usually under 24 hours).
Alas. I'm used to buying things online and using them within minutes.
UPDATE: One of the reasons that the video renderer matters is that it affects frame capture. Some of the renderers disable capture entirely. Cool, huh? That was why I chose "VMR9 Windowless": the documentation said it was the one most friendly for people who want to take frame grabs.
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I am thoroughly confused now. Been going through much the same thing, including a trip through their forums, to find out what's up with my system. Found the same thing: VRM9 Windowless required. Except on my system it's grayed out.
I've uninstalled, reinstalled, and gotten the latest download and installed it. No luck whatsoever. What's really disconcerting about this is I have always been able to take pics before. All the Code Geass pics are from ZP. Then last night, it started working again briefly (I got a bunch of Rosario + Vampire shots) and then today it refused to work again; I got the first frame.
That just made me think of something, so I tried Rosario again, and it worked. I went back to H20, and I got the first frame. Back to Rosario, and it works! The strange thing? I'm in VMR9 Windowed. Before I installed the new version, I was in VRM7.
Of course, I am not working from DVD's, I'm using fansubs. In fact, Rosario is .avi, and H20 is .mkv. But this shouldn't make any difference because all the Code Geass files were .mkv too. But when I go back to them now, I get the same problem.
So something changed, but what? I think I know.... now to find out
Posted by: ubu at January 13, 2008 04:59 PM (fURYZ)
The difference? Misaki is on Win2K. Lyar is on XP. It's not an issue with ZoomPlayer, it's a problem with Windows. I didn't realize it, but the other day must have been the first time I tried to take screencaps off of .mkv files on Lyar. Now if I could just figure out why I can't change to VRM9 Windowless....
Posted by: ubu at January 13, 2008 05:13 PM (fURYZ)
Since I was able to take frame grabs in Vista, I would suspect that your problem is display drivers rather than XP.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 05:36 PM (+rSRq)
Or installed codecs. When I installed Zoomplayer, during the installation process one of the things I let it do was to download and install every codec it wanted.
I'll have to look around and see if I have any MKV's around here, or maybe download one as a test. The Dai Mahou Touge fansubs I was looking at were AVI; I'm not sure how to find out what codec they were created with.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 05:41 PM (+rSRq)
The one thing I didn't like about ZoomPlayer was that it was really slow taking frame grabs. But VRM9 fixes that, so thanks for the tip.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at January 13, 2008 05:41 PM (PiXy!)
If the program can't read back the current image from the display drivers, the only way for it to do a frame grab is to scan backwards to a keyframe, and then to display forward using a software buffer until it gets to the current frame.
That's what PDVD was doing when I took frame grabs off some fansubs, and yeah, it's slow.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 05:48 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 05:49 PM (+rSRq)
OK, I downloaded a few sample fansubs. The first episode of Spice and Wolf is an MKV file, encoded using H.264. Frame grab worked fine.
Moetan ep 1 is an AVI but I can't find out any more about it. Interestingly, the one I downloaded displays at 1280*720 and it really looks beautiful.
The Ikki Tousen Dragon Destiny OVA's (the onsen episodes) include a couple of MKV's and frame grabs work fine. One of them is a WMV, and that one works fine, too.
My Otome Zwei was an Xvid; frame grabs work.
In fact, it works fine with everything I've tried. (Potemayo.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 06:33 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 06:35 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: ubu at January 13, 2008 08:36 PM (fURYZ)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 09:15 PM (+rSRq)
Oh, and no-one has subbed the infamous episode 6, as far as I know, though there is a raw floating around.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at January 13, 2008 09:21 PM (PiXy!)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at January 13, 2008 09:47 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: ubu at January 14, 2008 05:37 AM (fURYZ)
Reinstalled the most recent version of ZP Standard, downloaded last night. No joy. I cannot select VMR9 Windowless. All choices other than VMR9 Windowed are grayed out. Screencaps do not work. Uninstalled it. Went back to the original CCCP (Combined Community Codec Package), from which I had first encountered ZP; reinstalled the entire package. Still doesn't work, still can't change the options.
The crazy thing? On Misaki, it's exactly the same way (VMR9 Windowed), but it works. I've got another Win2k system here I can test my theory on, which I'll do later. Otherwise, I'll just have to do all my image processing and posting from Misaki.
Posted by: ubu at January 14, 2008 07:25 AM (fURYZ)
I bought Zoom Player Pro years ago -- I think it must have been around 2002-2003 -- at a point in my life where buying a "pro" version of software I could use for free was pretty much unheard of. I didn't need to use it to watch DVDs, or anything... it just really is that good, and deserved to be supported.
At the time there was nothing else I tried that even came close to matching it. Nowadays VLC looks like a close contender, though it's not there yet -- it lacks the polish, and crashes noticeably more.
(VLC does have some useful features that Zoom Player can't match -- a web server remote control interface, letting me use a laptop as a remote control for the computer hooked up to my TV, for instance.)
Posted by: David Lynch at January 14, 2008 08:31 AM (tNrba)
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