November 27, 2010
Looks like I should be using channel 11, donchathink?
This apartment complex is next door to a high school, and I suspect that's where most of these are. It'll be interesting to compare signal strength of my Wifi hub (arriving Monday, working whoknowswhen) which will be about 2 feet from my computer to these others which are mumble distance away. How strong is point-blank?
There was one I saw briefly which was on channel 11, but it was at -94 dB and dropped into the mud almost immediately. If I left this thing running all night I might see it again, but in any case it obviously doesn't represent an interference threat.
I'm also disappointed that the one I saw a few times which was named "NETGEAR" isn't in there. It's possible that one does belong to a neighbor who doesn't leave it running all the time.
On another note: I'm appalled at how many of these are using WEP, which has long since been cracked. One of the things I'll be doing is making sure that mine is set to use WPA2 instead.
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Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at November 27, 2010 11:28 PM (9KseV)
Posted by: Mauser at November 27, 2010 11:52 PM (cZPoz)
Pete, I already decided it's going to be "Railgun".
Mauser, it's "inSSIDer". (Look in the upper left corner.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 28, 2010 01:33 AM (+rSRq)
Looks like I configured correctly with brute force experimentation--I share my part of the spectrum with only one other network and we don't frequency hop. And both of us avoid the saturated part, which is constantly changing.
Oddly enough, everybody seems to be using WPA in my area. I'd have expected some to use the old stuff.
Posted by: gaiaswill at November 28, 2010 02:16 AM (7QHNK)
Posted by: Jeremy Bowers at November 28, 2010 10:05 AM (/EDjr)
And I just looked up to confirm my memory- the standard XBox360 wireless adapter uses WEP. There must be millions of them in use. I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 and Wii use similar wireless connectivity.
Posted by: Boviate at November 28, 2010 10:42 AM (qhOJB)
Video game consoles use Wifi to talk to their remote controllers?
I wonder how many of the hubs I see are video games?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 28, 2010 10:54 AM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 28, 2010 10:54 AM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at November 28, 2010 11:30 AM (9KseV)
As to the WiFi on gaming systems, I was talking about the adapter to connect the Xbox to the internet via a home router. I don't know what protocol the wireless controllers use. It could be WiFi, but it sure doesn't have to be, as they have no need for that much range. It's probably something proprietary, to make it harder for offbrand controller manufacturers. It still might use the 2.4 GHz band, though.
And thanks for the pointer to inSSIDer, it seems to be a very handy app.
Posted by: Boviate at November 28, 2010 11:46 AM (PJNgE)
Of course, the "engineers" who thought it would be a good idea to have most of the channels overlap so much that you only really have 3 channel choices instead of all 11 needs to be taken behind the woodshed...
Posted by: Chad at November 28, 2010 12:33 PM (8N3Bt)
Just for completeness, here's the link: inSSIDer
I turn Alcyone off when I'm not using it, but Arcturus (my torrent computer) runs 24 hours anyway. Last night I left inSSIDer running, and right now it says that it has seen a total of 18 hubs.
Neither of my machines have shown anyone using 5GHz, but I don't know if the reason is that my computers don't support that frequency. I would have hoped the program would say if they did not, but I can't find any indication of it.
I know that my hub (due tomorrow) does support 5GHz, and if my equipment did too it would be nice to use it. But I doubt that the iPaq supports it, so it's probably moot.
Arcturus is 5 years old, and was cheap then, so I have no doubt it doesn't do 5 GHz. but Alcyone is a cadillac, and is only a year old. I suppose I could google for the adaptor type, or look it up on Wikipedia.
Atheros AR928X...
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 28, 2010 12:39 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 28, 2010 12:47 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: atomic_fungus at November 28, 2010 12:49 PM (OhOxz)
I'm not even going to be that far away. Most of the time the slate and iPaq will be less than three feet from the hub. I might sometimes use the slate from my sofa, about 4 meters away.
I'm not really worried about signal strength.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 28, 2010 03:39 PM (+rSRq)
The Wii uses a slightly hacked up Bluetooth protocol. A stock Bluetooth computer driver won't recognize a Wii controller as a device but it's not too hard to write a driver on the Bluetooth stack that can see it and read from it with only standard Bluetooth hardware. Looks like the PS3 controllers have the same story, but I can't confirm as I don't own one. (I actually did hook up the Wii controller to my machine once for giggles.) XBox controllers require a custom receiver. (Of course. Actually this is a bit odder than it sounds because the wired XBox controllers actually have the ability to use the controller on computers listed as a feature on the box, so it isn't necessarily Microsoft being reflexively closed. I am assuming that given all three consoles had to do something custom that the Bluetooth HID specification is somehow deficient for console gaming. Probably the accelerometers, if I had to guess.)
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Posted by: Jeremy Bowers at November 28, 2010 05:21 PM (/EDjr)
The DS only does WEP, correct. The first ones went on sale around this time in 2004. From Wikipedia's WPA page, "Because the changes required fewer modifications on the client than on the wireless access points (APs), most pre-2003 APs could not be upgraded to support WPA with TKIP." The DS, which has a 67MHz ARM as it's primary CPU, might not have the horsepower, either, as suggested above.
I have an ancient D-Link wireless-B router at home I sometimes consider pressing into duty as a secondary access point just for the DS, to keep the latter on an isolated subnet.
Posted by: RickC at November 29, 2010 07:41 AM (OUudq)
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Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at November 29, 2010 10:51 AM (9KseV)
Wii. . . well, its *supposed* to support WPA, but ever since I switched from WEP, I've had the devil's time getting it to actually *work* properly. Usually to get it to connect, I need to power cycle my router. No clue why.
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