August 10, 2016

Rule #1: treat every gun as if it is loaded.

Some people are too stupid to get out of bed.

Mary Knowlton died Tuesday night after being shot during a role-playing exercise conducted by the Punta Gorda Police Department. OfficerLee Coel, playing a "bad guy,"shot Knowlton with live rounds from a gun all thought contained blanks.

All together, now: TREAT EVERY GUN AS IF IT IS LOADED. Someone should face criminal charges for this.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in Weird World at 06:57 PM | Comments (5) | Add Comment
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1 I vote manslaughter charges for the shooter and a juicy civil suit for the department, for setting up such an incredibly dangerous "training" stunt. Interesting note from the CNN coverage is that the shooter was using a revolver rather than his duty pistol, and the department was "unaware" there was any live ammo for it. Actually, can the whole gang be charged with aiding and abetting?

-j

Posted by: J Greely at August 10, 2016 10:24 PM (ZlYZd)

2 The bad guy's "gun" should have been a toy squirt gun, and firing it should have been him shouting "Bang! Bang!". There was no good reason for him to be using a real pistol, let alone for it to be loaded with anything.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at August 11, 2016 05:52 AM (+rSRq)

3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integrated_laser_engagement_system

I've used it and it uses blanks in the normal rifle that you'd be carrying anyways.  Of course, we double and triple checked stuff that people were using and you most certainly were not allowed to bring a privately owned weapon to MILES training.

Maybe the cops weren't using something like MILES.  I haven't fully thought about the ramifications of them doing so; it isn't all positive.

Posted by: Mark A. Flacy at August 11, 2016 05:23 PM (ATlQg)

4 The dead woman was playing the "officer" role, so they handed her something to "shoot" with. I haven't seen a story that included that detail, but I'm betting it wasn't a real gun with alleged blanks.

-j

Posted by: J Greely at August 11, 2016 06:15 PM (CLiR9)

5 I have no issue with bringing the hammer down on the people that allowed live rounds to be fired in the training.

That would have happened to me if I or my NCOs allowed that to happen on a training exercise.

My point was that it isn't true that one should not use real weapons during training.

(Honestly, my father's teaching was to consider any weapon to be loaded and able to kill.  I still fill with anger if I see someone waving a weapon around as if it were a toy, so I see Steven's point and see the value in it.  One wishes that your local police aren't a set of Barney Fife clones.)

Posted by: Mark A. Flacy at August 11, 2016 06:50 PM (ATlQg)

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