April 23, 2013

Ready for... Formula E?

It's a racing event, where all the cars are electric. My big question is what the power sources are? I assume they're using fuel cells; I can't imagine any other portable electric source that could create enough power to avoid being a joke.

F1 engines run on the order of 700 hp. That's about 520 kilowatts. The only batteries which can operate at that kind of power levels are silver-oxide batteries AFAIK, and there's no way they're using silver-oxide batteries.

These cars probably don't run 500 kw, but if they're less than 250 kw then the performance really would be a joke.

I think the most interesting part of watching this race would be the lack of noise. We've all seen clips from other kinds of racing, and the engine roars are impossible to miss. But electric cars are notorius for not making a lot of sound, and I think that tire noise would be the most prominent sound -- and that ain't very loud most of the time.

The first racing season will be 2014.

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1 Old news and maybe not accurate, but:

The prototype vehicle developed by Formulec, a French maker of electric racing cars, is a two-gear machine that runs off lithium-iron batteries and weighs 780kg.

It has a maximum speed of 220km per hour, and an acceleration of 0 to 100km/h in three seconds. It can run for 25 minutes before needing charging, meaning drivers will have the use of a second car to complete the one-hour race.

F1 cars are capable of going from 0 to 100km/h in 1.7 seconds, and cars can reach speeds of more than 300km/h.

So about what you'd expect from an electric race car, I guess.  (And I dunno how 2 x 25 minutes = 60 minutes.  Maybe the driver runs the last 10, as a motorsport biathalon?)

Posted by: Mikeski at April 23, 2013 03:03 PM (DU6Ja)

2 I'm guessing that while the second car is on the track, the first one is getting recharged. All it needs is enough juice to do the final ten minutes. Plus, if there are some yellow-flag laps, the endurance time goes up and they might not need to switch twice.

There would be great pressure for the car designers to improve battery life. Getting to 30 minutes of endurance would mean only one car switch, not two, for a race with no cautions.

Posted by: Boviate at April 23, 2013 03:10 PM (KvJTj)

3 I bet there is only one car, and they switch the battery pack.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 23, 2013 03:40 PM (+rSRq)

4

Yeah, I suppose.  The foot race would be funnier, though.

So since the article also talked about the green-ness of these cars... does producing an entire second electric vehicle really do less damage to the environment than the fuel burned in one normal one?  (Whether you believe in CO2-caused AGW, or just worry about the other less-fun-to-breathe chemicals in automotive exhaust?)  I'm guessing "no", myself.

Posted by: Mikeski at April 23, 2013 03:41 PM (DU6Ja)

5 And I'm not sure I'd want easily-removable batteries in a race car like this.  That much energy density laying on the track due to a wreck (or a pit lane mistake) could be... exciting.

Posted by: Mikeski at April 23, 2013 03:43 PM (DU6Ja)

6 Joke? Perhaps if that's how you define it. But I'll take the joke, then, thanks.

F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of the motorsport, but if we look at the track record of F1 drivers in NASCAR, it's not all that spectacular even for proven F1 winners such as Juan-Pablo Montoya. So, I don't really care for F1 technical superiority.

Lots of other series provide excellent racing. F1 only has the bling and glitz going for it. If they took all the cars and drivers away and swapped it for, say, Australian v8, I would be just as happy following it, and the racing would be probably improved.

BTW, I raced an electric kart at K-1 racing in San Francisco and it was quite nice. It's a racing application where endurance is not that important. And the throttle response of electric car is incomparable.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at April 23, 2013 03:50 PM (RqRa5)

7 There are reasons I haven't written about Formula E at all over at The Pond, even though I've known about it for a couple of years.

They do make a sound, by the way.  If you've ever heard a battery-powered R/C car, it's like that.  A little deeper, maybe, but not all that much.  It's not pleasant.

Posted by: Wonderduck at April 23, 2013 06:31 PM (9jITs)

8 Out of curiousity, why couldn't they use silver-oxide batteries?  Expense?

Posted by: metaphysician at April 23, 2013 07:19 PM (3GCAl)

9 No Jetsons whine? Feh.

Posted by: The Brickmuppet at April 23, 2013 07:20 PM (F7DdT)

10 They are quite expensive but they also contain mercury. A wreck would be...bad.

Posted by: The Brickmuppet at April 23, 2013 07:34 PM (F7DdT)

11 Silver-oxide batteries aren't rechargeable.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 23, 2013 08:36 PM (+rSRq)

12 Assuming the battery pack lasts 25 minutes at top speed, it would be a very interesting race to watch if (a) it lasts 60 minutes and (b) they allow only one battery change.

Might be difficult to ensure that all the battery packs are identical, though.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 23, 2013 09:51 PM (PiXy!)

13 @Pete:

If F1 was Aussie V8 racing, it'd be more hilarious, at least.  (And more of the work would be done by the drivers than the tech crews)

Though I really think they could just do it like RC cars, but with real sized ones.  That would probably make the racing more fun than just betting how far the cars will make it, in a weird inversion of Le Mans style.

Though Top Gear kind of beat me to that idea.

Posted by: sqa at April 24, 2013 08:35 AM (dvTNf)

14 Another question: do high performance electric vehicles exhibit more torque than gas powered ones? If so, would that change the style of racing to be more of an acceleration battle?

Or am I totally off base?

Posted by: wahsatchmo at April 24, 2013 08:38 AM (r4uXE)

15 Electric engines may have different torque curves for some reason. I'm fairly ignorant about them, perhaps it has to do with the current DC vs AC and being synchronous or asynchronous. The common DC motor has most torque at  0 RPM, which linearly falls. So, they are awesome off the line. However, when common electric cars are put on the dyno, they always have a very flat plateu at the low RPM. It is so flat that I am certain that it's capped in software, perhaps to make sure wires do not melt.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at April 24, 2013 09:05 AM (RqRa5)

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