February 28, 2012

TVTropes on Bodacious Space Pirates

There's a page up now on TVTropes about our favorite recent series. As always, it's loaded with spoilers for those who haven't seen the series, but there isn't anything there I didn't already know after having watched 8 episodes.

There's something I was considering adding, but held off because I wanted to check with the more knowledgeable among you. It's this: the word "privateer" doesn't appear in the EDICT database. The Japanese word for pirate is kaizoku but there doesn't appear to be any word for privateer.

I'm guessing that historically they didn't do that. The concept is one they learned from the west, after the Meiji restoration when Letters of Marque had already been abolished in the west.

There doesn't appear to be any term for "Letter of Marque", either. What's getting translated into that phrase is something that means "license to plunder" or something to that effect. Unlike "Letter of Marque", which is a term of art in maritime law, the Japanese is just an informal phrase describing it.

When, in ep 6, Misa gives her history lesson to Chiaki and Marika, there's a point where Marika gets confused: "We're pirates, yet we aren't?" And I keep thinking, Of course not. You aren't pirates, you're privateers. There's a difference.

But if there isn't any Japanese word for "privateer", then her confusion becomes a lot more clear.

Am I offbase here?

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in General Anime at 10:13 PM | Comments (3) | Add Comment
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1 Japanese Wikipedia has entries for shiryakusen and shiryakumenkyo as "privateer" and "letter of marque", respectively, but both are stub entries referring exclusively to Western privateers. Historically, I think some of the wakou were in the pay of various feudal lords, but that word is pretty much only used in its original context, and not often; the romanticized Hollywood image of Western pirates seems to dominate.


-j

Posted by: J Greely at February 28, 2012 11:30 PM (2XtN5)

2 Mr. Greeley is correct.  Besides, "It's time for some Privateering!" doesn't really sound as good.  

Posted by: tellu541 at February 29, 2012 01:31 AM (pJ1uW)

3 Well, thinking about it, privateering arose as a way of indirect competition and warfare between European nation-states targeting each other's trade.  Japan didn't exactly have an overabundance of trade, it wasn't really what we'd consider a nation-state until Tokugawa, and it didn't have a whole lot of aggressive wars aside from the disastrous Korean campaign by Hideyoshi.  Seems reasonable that the idea of "using piracy as a weapon of war" just didn't have a reason to develop.

( as opposed to simply bribing pirates to go after your rival's loot, in a feudal context. . . but you certainly can't do that *officially* )

Posted by: metaphysician at February 29, 2012 10:11 AM (3GCAl)

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