December 16, 2010
Pete seems to be confused about the difference between dating games, where the player wins if he gets a girl to "confess", and eroge, which is short for "erotic game", and in which the player wins if he manages to have sex with one or more of the girls. (Both of which are distinct from otome games in which the protagonist is a girl, and in which you win if one of the boys confesses.)
Yosuga no Sora is based on an eroge. The World Only God Knows is about a nerd who is good at playing dating games (not eroge). I'm not clear on which kind of game it is that the imouto is hooked on in My Sister can't be this cute.
I personally don't have any interest in either kind of game, but given how violent a large proportion of eroge are, I find them a lot more objectionable. Rape is very common, and child molestation is nearly universal, and some kinds of eroge are notorious for their dungeon scenes.
I don't have the same kind of visceral objection to dating games, I just think they're insipid. And the idea that any game like that would teach you any kind of lesson applicable to the real world is ludicrous.
UPDATE: By the way, a visual novel is different again. Dating games and eroge don't tend to have story lines. They set up a situation, and there may be events as time passes, but the story is the player's interaction with the girls. Visual novels (e.g. Clannad) are much deeper.
I also thought I'd mention that one of the creepiest scenes in Bottle Fairy shows Tama-chan, the kindergartener next door, playing a dating game.
Posted by: BigFire at December 16, 2010 11:51 AM (Kwn4z)
Heck, there was even an -anime- released that way - can't recall the title, but it was four episodes as fairly forgettable porn or 60 minutes of not-actually-that-bad show without the porn. Dragon something something... I've got it on the shelf at home somewhere.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at December 16, 2010 01:37 PM (pWQz4)
And then there's Avatar's point -- remember, F/SN started life as a visual novel, but with sex scenes. For the anime, they substituted bad "whoosh-y" dragon CGI.
Posted by: ubu at December 16, 2010 02:07 PM (i7ZAU)
Posted by: gaiaswill at December 16, 2010 09:02 PM (7QHNK)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at December 16, 2010 09:38 PM (mRjOr)
I also thought I'd mention that one of the creepiest scenes in Bottle Fairy shows Tama-chan, the kindergartener next door, playing a dating game.Considering that her default outfit is a thigh-length kimono and stockings (hello, zettai ryouiki), plus a meido pinafore and crayon-shaped hair decs... the dating game isn't close to being the creepiest thing about her.
Posted by: Mikeski at December 16, 2010 11:28 PM (GbSQF)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 16, 2010 11:36 PM (+rSRq)
The term OVA technically only implies that it never aired on tv and was sent straight to VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray/whatever. Seeing as how that is the case for omakes, I don't see any problem with that.
Posted by: Jordi Vermeulen at December 17, 2010 02:29 AM (AJZdn)
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 17, 2010 06:17 AM (W8Men)
Then what do you call the short segments at the beginning of Goshuso-sama Ninomiya-kun? And what about the meido arc in Yosuga no Sora?
My expectation when I see "OAV" is a 20-45 minute episode or short movie. Not a 3-5 minute skit -- which is what I think of as "omake". Perhaps that makes me the one using the terms wrong, but that ties back to the core point: overlap and confusion.
If the world would simply follow the rules I set out for it, things would be much simpler....
Posted by: ubu at December 17, 2010 07:14 AM (i7ZAU)
Actually, these days some OVAs do get broadcast. Nowadays, "OVA" pretty much means "not produced at a weekly schedule".
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 17, 2010 08:59 AM (+rSRq)
*The flip side of "one size fits all" in the world of bureaucracy. In other words,"if it's insignificant, don't try to make an exception for it."
Posted by: ubu at December 17, 2010 11:40 AM (i7ZAU)
As for things like rape, I wouldn't say they dominate eroge any more than they dominate anime.
Posted by: muon at December 17, 2010 11:17 PM (kzJXl)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 18, 2010 12:12 AM (+rSRq)
That's not to say that there hasn't been an increase in rape hentai and doujins though.
Posted by: ubu at December 18, 2010 08:11 AM (GfCSm)
Posted by: J Greely at December 18, 2010 08:48 AM (2XtN5)
.....On second thought, never mind!
Posted by: ubu at December 18, 2010 11:06 AM (GfCSm)
Posted by: Ymarsakar at December 20, 2010 08:47 PM (tUhkS)
Enclose all spoilers in spoiler tags:
[spoiler]your spoiler here[/spoiler]
Spoilers which are not properly tagged will be ruthlessly deleted on sight.
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