February 10, 2009
Is it time to start panicking? (Or to start laughing at believers in anthropogenic global warming?)
Cycle 24 should have begun by now, even according to the pessimistic forecast. There should have been a noticeable rise in sunspots by this point.
But there isn't. It's absolute goose egg. It's been flatlined since last June.
Some people have speculated that we might be going into a solar minimum, like the Maunder Minimum, which correlated with the Little Ice Age.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste in Weird World at
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Been keeping an eye on this ever since Fallen Angels came out in 1991 (new ice age coupled with anti-tech, socialist government -- not that that could ever happen here).
Pellet stove in the basement, down comforters & jackets all round... plus plenty of guns, ammo and canned goods, too.
Whenever there's data such as this, Glenn Reynolds invariably cites FA, too. As well he might this post of yours.
Posted by: Tiberius at February 10, 2009 04:13 PM (TXmvK)
But the sunspot count is very troubling indeed. Sun will do as it please, politic be damned.
Posted by: BigFire at February 10, 2009 04:15 PM (Kwn4z)
Do I have this right? The way I understand the cause-and-effect goes like this:
A lot of times clouds need something to seed them. Conditions may be such that clouds are possible, but without some sort of seed to start the process, the clouds may not form on their own. Seeds can be silver iodide (legendarily) or dust or any of several other things, but one of the most common seeds is cosmic ray traces. The atmosphere is a giant cloud chamber.
The rate at which cosmic rays arrive at the earth is a function of the solar wind. When it's strong, fewer arrive. When it's weak, a lot do.
The strength of the solar wind correlates with sunspot activity. When the surface of the sun roils, more gas is expelled.
So when there are few sunspots, the solar wind is weak, so more cosmic rays strike the earth, and there's more cloud formation.
Clouds increase the planet albedo, resulting in more sunlight being bounced back into space, and less striking the surface and turning to heat, so the planet cools.
Is that the theory?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 10, 2009 04:29 PM (+rSRq)
I have my father's textbook on ionosphere and stuff, which goes into lengths regarding the solari wind, but sadly it does not deal with clouds. They are too low in the dense air for him, sadly. So that's no help.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at February 10, 2009 05:03 PM (/ppBw)
I've been falling back to the simplest, basic test of science, which is: "Do your predictions come true?", which is what has really been feeding my skepticism lately. We're falling off the bottom of the error bars of the predictions from just a few years ago, and it's distressing to me how few people seem to understand exactly how much of an indictment of the theory that is, namely, it basically disproves the models making those claims.
Posted by: Jeremy Bowers at February 10, 2009 05:30 PM (7LWnd)
Posted by: Siergen at February 10, 2009 06:33 PM (syMpe)
Posted by: peolesdru at February 10, 2009 06:42 PM (v7UIA)
Pete, I think the inverse relationship between the rate of arrival of extra-solar cosmic rays and the solar wind has been confirmed experimentally. After all, we can measure them.
The idea that cosmic rays seed clouds is somewhat more controversial, but apparently not all that much more so. It's a recent theory but I gather it's respected. I gather there's some pretty good hard data about that.
Here's a paper about it.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 10, 2009 07:02 PM (+rSRq)
The increased solar wind during sunspot periods does shield the earth from cosmic rays, but I think the indirect effect on climate is small comparted to the direct effect of increased solar irradiance.
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