September 17, 2007

Soliciting comments: Noein

On Bob's "upcoming releases" I saw that the final DVD of a series called Noein was coming out, and he's selling the entire series as a bundle for $63. It was originally broadcast in 2005.

The usual first stop on figuring out if it's a waste of time was to visit Chris Beveridge and to read the letter grades while skipping the spoiler-laden reviews. He says C B- A- A- and hasn't reviewed the final disk yet because it isn't officially released until tomorrow. Before I make a final decision I'll want to look at his final review, but at the least what this is telling me is that it's a good series that starts slow. I can live with that.

Here's the blurb from the first DVD:

Fifteen years in the future, by high-level scientific power, a violent battle takes place between the dimension La'cryma, that protects humanity, and the dimension Shangri-La, that plans the annihilation of all space-time. The key to stopping Shangri-La's invasion is a mysterious object known as "The Dragon's Torque." A group known as the Dragon Calvary is being set through space and time to find it.

In the present, twelve-year-old Haruka and her friend Yuu are contemplating running away from home when they meet a member of the Dragon Calvary named Karasu (Crow). He believes that Haruka has the Dragon's Torque and claims to be Yuu from fifteen years in the future.

The fundamental idea is intriguing. "Everything you know is wrong", "reality is breaking down", are staples of SF and fantasy; that part's fine. In this case it's about alternate realities. The stars are middle school kids, one boy and one girl -- and that's fine, too, if it's handled well. The girl, at least, turns out to have special powers. But one twist here is that one of the characters they meet from an alternate dimension is, or claims to be, an older version of the boy. Not his future self, so much as an alternate version of himself grown older. And that's a concept with interesting possibilities if it's handled well.

It might be kind of dark. I'm willing to take that chance, if the story is otherwise a good one. As to fan service, it doesn't appear to be that kind of show.

Other things going for it: Chiba Saeko has a bit part. I do like her voice.

Did any of you watch it originally two years ago? What did you think of it? (No spoilers or google-link-dumps, please.)

UPDATE: Jeff Lawson watched it. At least as of that post, he liked it.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in General Anime at 05:20 PM | Comments (13) | Add Comment
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1 How do you manage to keep coming up with shows I've never even heard of?  2002 shows like Seven of Seven I can understand, but this one's 2005.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 17, 2007 05:53 PM (PiXy!)

2 From what little snippits I've seen broadcast on Ani-Monday (SciFi channel's attempt at an Adult Swim), it does look very grim and gritty. It didn't really hook me in the first few minutes, and it's on at 11:00pm. I've got to sleep at some point.

Posted by: Will at September 17, 2007 06:22 PM (pqGaZ)

3 For those with CN, I think it's currently playing there (Saturday nights?).  I saw one piece of it, but didn't stick around.  Animation quality wasn't that impressive (nor was the dub), and I quickly determined that I wasn't gonna pick up the plot without catching the earlier eps.  If it's good, it's because of the writing.

Posted by: BigD at September 17, 2007 06:24 PM (JJ4vV)

4 Gah.  You're right. It *is* tonight, on Sci-Fi.

It might actually be more entertaining than Redskins-Eagles, at this rate...

Posted by: BigD at September 17, 2007 06:25 PM (JJ4vV)

5 If you recall, it was the series with the record number of subcontractors. I liked the pencil art, but the fighting bored me. If I had unlimited time, I'd look into it some more, although initially it looked too bloody. One thing is to trade the suffering for widespread critical acclaim, like RahXephon, Princess Mononoke, or something, but when it's just suffering, then I pass. But Chris may be right.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at September 17, 2007 06:40 PM (9imyF)

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I've seen some of it, and I found it to be fairly interesting even if I don't remember it vividly.  Enough so that I would be interested in seeing more of it.

But then we have our differences in opinion when it comes to anime (often I prefer grim and gritty) so I don't know how much good that does you.

Posted by: Arson55 at September 17, 2007 07:11 PM (g3r7a)

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The bundle is only a $6 discount over buying the DVDs separately, and I think maybe in this case I should probably get the first disk and watch it, and then decide whether to buy the rest.

Pixy, it's not my fault if you haven't been paying attention.

Seriously, there are a lot of shows every year now. It's not surprising if some of them fall through the cracks.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 17, 2007 07:51 PM (+rSRq)

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It *is* tonight, on Sci-Fi.

Is THAT what that was?  I was wondering what show I was watching... Steven, if you do get this, and I WAS watching Noein, do NOT EVER watch the dub.

It had the same effect on my ears as Dokuro-chan had on my eyes.  Look, most dubs range from lousy to, rarely, good.  This one might have been the worst I'd EVER heard.  I've heard better readings of a script in High School English class.

Eesh.

Posted by: Wonderduck at September 17, 2007 08:25 PM (CJ5+Y)

9 Oops. Yeah, I failed to mention that the dub Sci-Fi is broadcasting could strip the paint right off your walls.

Posted by: Will at September 17, 2007 08:37 PM (pqGaZ)

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Seriously, there are a lot of shows every year now. It's not surprising if some of them fall through the cracks.
Very true.  I saw one site that listed, I think, sixty currently airing anime series.  Of course some of those are long-running shows like Bleach, One Piece, or Detective Conan, but every three months we get at least a couple of dozen new titles.  Just trying to round up and watch one episode of each is substantial task.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 17, 2007 08:42 PM (PiXy!)

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Wonderduck, thanks for the warning but it's not an issue. I never listen to dubs anyway. The only show whose dubs I routinely listen to is Dragon Ball Z. I'd say that's about half the time when I watch it. Depends on how I'm feeling on any given day when I decide to watch it.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 17, 2007 09:12 PM (+rSRq)

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I've been watching this as the R1 discs come out.  I'd have to give it mixed reviews.  The story is interesting enough that I want to see where it goes, but the execution definitely has some flaws.

It's not just the one character that is an alternate self from the future, a good chunk of the characters have duplicates.  I'm not sure how much of it is poor writing and how much is the gaps between when I watch it, but I constantly lose track of who is an alternate version of whom, which characters know about it, etc.

It definitely falls into the "grim and gritty" category as well, the future is pretty nasty (unexplained so far), and most of the alternate/future versions of the main characters have been pretty well corrupted by what they've done and seen.  Most of the characters are not sympathetic in the least as a result.

On the other hand, the story is interesting, it moves forward at a good pace, and the art and animation are pretty interesting.

Posted by: David at September 17, 2007 11:40 PM (eJmmz)

13 Noein does fairly well with quantum mechanics, particularly the Many World's Interpretation. There's also an illustration of  Schrodinger's cat in one of the later eps. I wouldn't call it grim and gritty. La'cryma is a dystopia, but most of the action takes place in the present day city of Hakodate. From Wikipedia, Note that Hakodate, the main Present Timespace setting of Noein, is a real city, in the Hokkaido Prefecture of Japan, and its appearance plus many features were replicated with uncanny detail in Noein. A special feature of the Noein DVD series goes through this matter extensively. The male lead appears weak at first, but he gets better. (You know he will, after seeing his alternate version.) Couple of minor corrections: the children are still in elementary school, and Chiba Saeko's char is in almost every ep.

Posted by: Jim Burdo at September 18, 2007 02:06 AM (M/tTd)

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