December 14, 2010

Shows I'll never watch -- Yosuga no Sora

Yosuga no Sora set off my OMG detector just from the preseason description. As a more-or-less faithful adaptation of the original eroge, it has the hero scoring with every girl in sight.

In ep 11 he adds his twin sister to the tally. I somewhat rhetorically asked, "I wonder if we’re going to get a 'nice boat' ending?" JPMeyer responds:

I can’t imagine anything else at this point. The real question, I think, is who does the boating.

And how seriously boated he is afterwards. Surely one of those girls is going to turn yandere.

In general, I stay as far away from eroge adaptations as I can. The only one I think I've ever watched all the way through was Popotan, and that wasn't really an adaptation. They discarded the player avatar and tossed the entire original story. The only thing they kept was the character designs for the girls as well as the house that three of them lived in. The game's alien space ship became an image of magic taking place. Everything else was completely new. I think I heard someone describing it as "jacking up the license plate and replacing the car." (I have a vague memory that it was J who said that.)

Princess Lover was also originally an eroge, but they left out all the sex when they adapted it to anime. Anyway, I only watched about four episodes before giving up on it. (Later I went through the whole thing to take frame grabs for the top rotation, but I did that with the sound turned off and the subtitles disabled.)

This season also included "The World only God Knows", which was another I wanted to stay far, far away from. The basic concept is that there's a geek who happens to be a wizard at playing and winning dating games, and he gets recruited by an angel to use his profound seduction skills to win the hearts of real girls, because there are pieces of something-or-other in their hearts which need to be recovered. Or they are possessed by demons. Or some other contrivance.

The real hook is this idea that expertise in playing dating games somehow prepares you for real life romantic endeavors, and I found that idea utterly ludicrous.

Jessi found it really offensive, but she's a grrl and is offended by the idea that girls should be thought of as being so predictable. I found it offensive, too, because it insulted my intelligence. (No one understands girls.)

There's a kind of meta-level going on here. The reason this dork's skills work on "real girls" is that they're no more real than the ones in the games. They're just as much artificial creations of writers as are the ones in the games. He's moved from one level of unreality to another one.

But bad as that is, at least he isn't having sex with his twin sister. All together now: EEEEW! YUCK!

UPDATE: Pete responds.

IIRC, ef and To Heart were not eroge.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in Never Watch at 02:51 PM | Comments (14) | Add Comment
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1 Yosuga no Sora is pretty terrible except for the meido omake at the end of each episode.  Those are great.

The World God Only Knows is a much better show, though I don't think you'd like it.  I've found it entirely inoffensive because (a) none of it makes any sense and (b) Keima's vaunted girl-capturing skills consist of talking to the girls and not being a total jerk.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 14, 2010 04:03 PM (PiXy!)

2 I'd thought about blogging YnS, but I've been working on a Zettai Karen Children post instead.  Never fear, I'll get my licks in. I've been watching it just for the trainwreck and/or nice boat.

As for TWGOK, the funny part is that his skills shouldn't work, but they do. Pixy pretty much summarizes it above.

Posted by: ubu at December 14, 2010 04:58 PM (GfCSm)

3 There is one eroge adaptation you liked... Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. It's pretty far from the originating games.

Posted by: Kayle at December 14, 2010 05:29 PM (o0hm6)

4 The real reason TWGOK sucks is that

I do kinda like the theme though.

And I disagree about Keima not being a jerk.  So far he's TWICE used the tactic of aggravating girls into noticing him, maybe three times.

Like that works.

Posted by: Mauser at December 14, 2010 05:57 PM (cZPoz)


Kayle, it's true that Triangle Heart was an eroge. But the Nanoha series is about as closely related to that as the Popotan anime is to that original eroge.

They change Miyuki from being a cousin to being a sister, and they brought the father back to life, and the older brother, who was the lead in Triangle Heart, was a background character in Nanoha. I don't consider Nanoha to be an eroge adaptation in any meaningful sense.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 14, 2010 08:24 PM (+rSRq)

6 ...except maybe for the henshins. *runs*

Posted by: BigD at December 14, 2010 10:08 PM (LjWr8)


Those weren't in Triangle Heart, donchaknow.

There was a joke omake included with the Triangle Heart OVA, a quickie which was about Nanoha as a magical girl.

That's the basis of the Nanoha series, but they changed a lot. Chrono was the bad guy, and Lindy was a tiny fairy who was Nanoha's magical sidekick. No ferrets, and no Fate either.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 14, 2010 11:08 PM (+rSRq)


From the reviews, I think Yosuga is going for each girl gets her own arc with its own continuity separate from the others, so no "nice boat" ending. (Amagami SS is doing something similar.) The twincest only takes place in one arc, kind of a bad end when he doesn't get one girl.

In TWGOK, despite the girls forgetting everything, doesn't Keima get some char development? I saw a page of the manga where he met one of the girls again and wished her well in an upcoming race.

Posted by: muon at December 15, 2010 01:55 AM (JXm2R)

9 "From the reviews, I think Yosuga is going for each girl gets her own arc with its own continuity separate from the others, so no "nice boat" ending."

This. I believe it's called an omnibus format.

Also, about TWOGK, it's obviously meant more as a comedy than a romantic drama. It's funny because his techniques don't make any sense, and sometimes he doesn't know what to do because the situation doesn't follow a dating sim's storyline.

Posted by: Jordi Vermeulen at December 15, 2010 02:46 AM (AJZdn)


Based on frame grabs, he's shown having sex with another girl at the beginning of the show (possibly a "in our last episode"). That girl was one of the two who walked in on the twins at the end of the show. The episode ends with everyone having shocked looks on their faces.

No way to separate the continuity.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 15, 2010 11:03 AM (+rSRq)

11 That girl (the childhood friend) is the one he capped in the last arc.  The incest route branches off after their relationship begins and they've had sex a couple of times.

Mid-episode, after Haruka realizes his sister wants a physical relationship with him, he drags the girlfriend to a love motel <spoiler> and all but rapes her to get an image (of Sora masturbating while crying his name) out of his head.</spoiler>  

The rest of my comment, I turned into a post at Bridgebunnies.

Posted by: ubu at December 15, 2010 11:45 AM (i7ZAU)

12 Argh.  Brackets here, angles at my place.  Sigh.... 

Posted by: ubu at December 15, 2010 11:46 AM (i7ZAU)


ef  - A Fairy Tale of the Two was an eroge, and there was an adult version of To Heart.

Wouldn't the base strategy in games like Tokimeki be a good starting point for real life? Don't be a jerk to anyone, work on mutual interests, etc?

Posted by: muon at December 15, 2010 06:13 PM (JXm2R)

14 Ef first/latter tales were definitely eroge: Ef A Tale of Memories.

That's what minori publishes. 18+ rated. Even the censored versions they got for the PS2 were rated 17+. No all ages version exists as of yet.

Understanding girls is the same as understanding humans. Get one and you get the other.

The PUA community here in America (the pick up artist geeks who sort of reverse engineered some tricks) created the "Game" or what I would call some crude starting tools for manipulating common female responses in the mating ritual. If you look around Youtube for Style or Mystery, you might run across some of the videos they do.

Whether male or female, people respond the same to the same set of social cues. There's nothing too dramatic about it. Isolate the social cues that are common throughout and you'll get a common response. If the situation applies only to females, then you change the parameters for only females.

The brute force method is by logic and number crunching. Using a set routine or opening line, with story telling, to attempt to generate a personality result through brute force. It's not natural, certainly, but con men and women have found it works well enough with practice. And they were never educated in PUA or dating sim tactics to begin with. They just noticed that whatever they were doing, worked, so they kept on refining it. All the number and scenario crunching was solely to get new people who didn't know it, up to a level that they could reproduce similar results.

Which is to say, the theory of dating sims has been tested and modified. Whether it generates a long term relationship or not was irrelevant to the testers, as their primary goal was to pick up girls.

Posted by: Ymarsakar at December 20, 2010 07:32 PM (tUhkS)

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