April 02, 2008

Ranma 1/2: Spoilers

I think I've been a bit careless about revealing spoilers so far about the series, and for that I apologize. I'm going to be more careful about using the spoiler tag from now on. Of course, there are a lot of things that won't need it.

In the first series, Ryoga is something of a one-joke pony. The basic idea of him not being able to walk to the corner store without taking a detour to Fuji-san is getting a bit old. It's nice that they deemphasized that in the second series. He still gets lost, but nothing like as badly nor as often.

It's a hazard in this kind of series: trying to overuse a joke. Seems like they realized it.

I took a look at the credits, and it seems there was a pretty serious overhaul of the project team between the first and second series, including a replacement of the director. That certainly is consistent with the change in tone between the two.

I just finished the first half of episode 9, and I do have to say that the change in Akane's hairstyle was handled nicely. But it did get a bit drippy in there. There isn't anything like that in the part of the second series that I saw, which is just as well.

The translator is taking some liberties with the subtitles. In one scene, Ranma is in a battle and gets knocked into water -- and is taken enough with the battle that she doesn't notice her transformation. She also doesn't notice that her shirt has been slashed, and her breasts are exposed. (Gee, you don't suppose that "getting a girl fighter's clothes slashed in a fight" is some kind of trope, do you? I wonder if this was the first example of that, too; bet it was.)

Akane shouts something that they translated as "Your blouse!" Actually, the key word in Japanese was mune, which variously means "chest" or "breasts", but more the latter. At which point Ranma-chan does a take, and then covers up.

Ranma-chan actually seems a lot less concerned with exposing herself than you normally expect girls to be. She likes to hang around the house wearing pants, with a towel hanging around her neck, but nothing else above the waist. That is... rather indiscreet, you know? But of course, that wouldn't be particularly scandalous for a guy, and deep down Ranma is a guy even when in the girl's body.

I noticed that Ranma doesn't use honorifics. I have to go back and check to see if he/she even uses honorifics to Akane's dad; that may be the only case of it. To everyone else, he just uses their names. That's the kind of thing I'd expect from an anti-hero who also rolls his r's and uses -ze and -zo a lot, but Ranma in either form doesn't effect those affectations.

Akane returns the favor when it comes to Ranma, though she uses honorifics for everyone else. Is that sarcasm, or a secret hint of feelings of intimacy? I wonder how the Japanese would interpret it?

UPDATE: I haven't been listening closely enough. I just heard Ranma-chan use -ze.

Also: Ranma and Ryoga find out about each other's dread secret:

In the bath, of course.

UPDATE: Speaking of Vista, I wish there were a way for me to tell Vista, "Yes, I really do understand that publisher of SmartRipper cannot be verified, and I am quite certain I want to run this program without you asking every time. So shut up about it!" Ordinarily I'd use RTVReco for this, but Vista has added a new kind of popup which RTVReco won't see, and this particular popup is one of them.

Is there any kind of flag or something I can set that will tell Vista, "Yes, I'm sure about this one even though you think it's questionable"?

UPDATE: Below the fold, sad girl in snow pissed-off transformed boy in rain. It's SFW.

UPDATE: One of the tropes is "cursed with awesome". Ranma is the iconic example they use in the definition. Certainly compared to what happens to others who screw around with the hundred cursed springs, Ranma came off well.

Some things occur to me.

4. Which leads to this conclusion: if any of them had any brains, they'd have been out from under their curses long since.

It's hard to say whose curse (amongst the five I know of so far) is worst. I think Ryoga, probably, but Mousse is a close second.

For all of Ranma's concern about it, the point of the trope is that Ranma's condition isn't really intolerable. For all his bitching, he seems to be quite comfortable operating as she for long periods of time. And Ranma-chan really is pretty awesome, and it's obvious that Ranma-kun knows it. (Considering some of his less-well-considered taunting of Akane in the first couple of episodes.)

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Posted by: Steven Den Beste in General Anime at 07:22 PM | Comments (12) | Add Comment
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1 Re Vista question:  Have you tried setting it to "Run as Administrator"...? I have no idea if this will help. I've never run across the problem you describe.

Posted by: Toren at April 02, 2008 07:58 PM (suvY7)

2 Yeah, I tried it and it didn't help. It's the only program I use that Vista complains about, and I have a feeling it's on a blacklist. Vista doesn't complain about any of the other hobbyist-written tools I use, some of which go back more than ten years.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 02, 2008 08:18 PM (+rSRq)

3 Re: the stuff in your spoiler block (no major further spoilers, I think)

Posted by: Aaron Nowack at April 02, 2008 08:50 PM (AFfUz)

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Regarding cures:

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 03, 2008 12:30 AM (+rSRq)

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I'm not reading this at home, where I could check, so I'm going from memory.  If you right-click on the executable in Explorer and look at the Properties menu, I believe there is text warning you that this has an unverified publisher or came from another machine or something like that, and a button you can check to say "turn off this warning."  It's *not* the Run As Admin or run in compatibility mode things.  I'll try to remember to check when I get home.

Posted by: RickC at April 03, 2008 05:46 AM (vGjxz)

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Sadly, I have had to delete comments by Avatar and Cyberluddite because they were spoilers and were not tagged as such. Please post them again with the correct spoiler tag.

Rick, yes, there is such a thing. And there's a button you can push. And it doesn't do a damned thing. If I push it, it grays out. But if I close the properties box and reopen it, that warning is back again, and so is the button.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 03, 2008 06:26 AM (+rSRq)

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Posted by: metaphysician at April 03, 2008 09:16 AM (9Lztf)

8 This is a pretty old series, especially by anime standards. My personal feeling is that the statute of limitations on spoilers has long expired for this one. It "helps" that there really isn't much of a story.

Posted by: gaiaswill at April 03, 2008 01:12 PM (elg14)

9 Mousse is not cursed, he's blessed!

Posted by: Wonderduck at April 03, 2008 02:38 PM (AW3EJ)

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I figured out what I had to do to get rid of that popup. You have to press the button Rick mentioned.

Then you have to press the "Apply" button at the bottom. Duh...

Usually "Apply" isn't required; it means "use the changes I just made but don't close this window".

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 03, 2008 02:59 PM (+rSRq)

11 CAN you spoil Ranma?

Seriously. It's purely episodic. Sure, you can say "oh, this guy shows up later", but it's not like it's going to change the fundamental dynamic of the show or your enjoyment of the same. You can skip -any plot arc- that doesn't introduce a recurring character, with no consequences whatsoever. Hell, they don't even advance in school, over the equivalent of years of stories.

It's like MASH - technically it's a spoiler to say "they get a doctor named Winchester and he's an elitist prig," but realistically, you can't spoil the show that way.

Posted by: Avatar_exADV at April 03, 2008 06:05 PM (LMDdY)

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Well, you can spoil some of the jokes by giving away the plotlines. But the major outlines, I don't think it really harms much to know about them, which is why I mostly haven't been sweating it.

The dividing line is revealing information which would ruin the viewing experience for someone else, and I do think there are such things. For example, I had noticed that Akane's hair is shorter in the second series than it was at the beginning of the first series.

The reason why, and the way things happened to lead to Akane cutting her hair, really is a spoiler. It's a major plot point in the first series, and a major character-development point. No one told me what it was before I saw it for myself, and now that I know how it happened I'm not going to reveal it here.

On the other hand, I don't think it gives anything important away to talk about the fact that Shampoo is also cursed, and her alternate form is a cat. Or that Mousse is a complete moron, who is yet another who is cursed.

And it certainly is no spoiler to talk about Ranma being cursed, and how his alternate form is a cute girl. That's revealed in the first episode of the first series, and essentially nothing that happens that early is a spoiler, pretty much by definition.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 03, 2008 06:35 PM (+rSRq)

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