March 26, 2009
My usual online dictionary has been AnimeLab. One problem with it is that their database is outdated. (It doesn't include madoushi, for instance.)
J Greely's dictionary is good, and his database does know what madoushi means. But I can't link to search results.
I just learned of a new one called Nihongodict. It's spiffy as hell. It's using the same EDICT database, and results are linkable.
UPDATE: I was wrong about J's dictionary. Looks like I can link to search results. The only real problem is that his search results don't include romaji representations, which is pretty important for illiterates like me.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste in Japanese at
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-j
Posted by: J Greely at March 26, 2009 04:44 PM (02VwI)
I didn't realize that.
Is there really any reason to make that a choice? Why not always provide it?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at March 26, 2009 04:50 PM (+rSRq)
The reason I'm not providing the romanized readings all of the time is that I, personally, never want to see them. Input and output should both be cookie-based preferences, and I just haven't gotten around to writing that. Or redoing the Kanjidic lookup to be as faithful to the data as JMdict. Or cleaning up the UI. Or applying the kanji/reading/meaning limitations instead of just displaying them inline (although I do have code for that one...).
-j
Posted by: J Greely at March 26, 2009 06:52 PM (02VwI)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at March 26, 2009 06:57 PM (+rSRq)
But a friend of mine, Marc Miyake, who has taught Japanese in university, tells me it's hard enough to keep students in Asian language classes, and he feels if he did that half the students would leave in the first week. Tough call.
I learned to read and write them in three weeks while holding down a full-time job, and I'm a dreadful linguist, no talent at all. But then again I was highly motivated.
Posted by: Toren at March 26, 2009 08:46 PM (Kmb8s)
Now I may be biased, because vast majority of Russians hate volapyuk aka latinitsa. It's just offensive and causes a visceral reaction. In the same time I think Japanese are completely cool with romanji. They don't HATE HATE HATE it. Nonetheless I noticed that on IRC, for example, romanji is only used in channels with significant weaboo quotient. Real Japanese use kana (in SJIS sadly; damn cavemen). So the preference is clear.
BTW, I was lucky to study Japanese by a romanji-free curriculum in a local community college. It was fairly painless. We just crammed hiragana in two weeks and were home free to poke at katakana at our own pace. 50 characters is only two times more than English has (Russian has 33 letters). If you can write in English, you can write in kana with equal facility.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at March 26, 2009 09:39 PM (/ppBw)
I'm not a student. I'm a dabbler. I don't have the energy these days to seriously study anything. (I hardly have the energy to get up in the morning.)
The only reason I do romaji (Pete, there's no "n" in it) is because I already know the roman alphabet. I've been picking up hiragana a bit, and there are about five, maybe, of them I now know on sight. But genuinely studying them, and learning them -- well, you might as well assign me a 5 mile run. They're as likely to happen.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at March 26, 2009 09:50 PM (+rSRq)
Which is why I said "serious students."
I'm always pleased when any anime or manga fan makes an effort to learn something about the language. I really think it increases their enjoyment, as long as they don't get overimpressed with their knowledge.
(Pete, "romanji" rather than "romaji" is the sort of classic error that is often caused by...the use of romaji. If you read it in kana you would never make that mistake, as you know. I'm not picking on you; just pointing it out. And it's great your course used kana. Would that more did.)
Posted by: Toren at March 26, 2009 10:13 PM (Kmb8s)
-j
Posted by: J Greely at March 27, 2009 06:52 AM (02VwI)
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Spoilers which are not properly tagged will be ruthlessly deleted on sight.
Also, I hate unsolicited suggestions and advice. (Even when you think you're being funny.)
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