July 09, 2009
I hate unsolicited advice about anything pretty much all the time. And I particularly hate it when people try to talk me into changing my mind about something when I've sampled it and rejected it, such as an anime series.
So though I'm disappointed that Pete hated Negima!? I'm loath to try to convince him to give it another try. Yet there's an aching feeling that I should do it.
So, Pete, take this for what it is: just some explanation which you can accept or reject. Just keep in mind that Obama's America doesn't meddle, even in a good cause.
Pete rejected it half way through the second episode because he didn't like the art, and because he doesn't like vampires, and because it seemed like the girls were being treated as dispensible.
That's the Evangeline plot arc, and it ends at the end of episode 3. Given how early in the series it is, I don't consider the following to be a spoiler: the purpose of it is to establish the Evangeline character, who is IMHO the second most important character in the series after Negi himself.
And its purpose is to establish the relationship between the two, which is very complex. Evangeline hates Negi's father with a passion. The purpose of those three episodes is to explain why Evangeline doesn't ultimately transfer that hatred to Negi himself, and indeed eventually comes to think of him as a friend and colleague.
So this isn't a traditional vampire story, by any stretch. And after ep 3, Evangeline never drinks blood again in the entire series. (She doesn't need it for sustenance; rather, it gives her a power boost.)
Also, the girls are not treated as expendable.
Finally, ep 3 has the first partnership (Asuna) and the first transformation to armor form (also Asuna). Plus there's the rare pleasure of seeing Asuna pick up a row boat and throw it at Eva.
Once that's complete, most of the series foundation has been laid. Most of the rest gets laid in ep 4, when the black spots start appearing, and Shichimi and Motsu show up and explain what's happening.
What I'm trying to say is that the first two episodes are very atypical in nearly every regard of the rest of the series. Yeah, they're dark. Evangeline is trying to kill Negi. But it doesn't stay that way, and I really like the way ep 3 ended.
Also, the Eva arc is the only story line that Shinbo lifted from Akamatsu. Shinbo created all the rest of the series storyline himself, which is another reason it doesn't feel the same.
...moan... ah, crap! But it's really good!
And I hate it when people say this kind of thing to me. Sorry, Pete.
UPDATE: I figure Pete is getting revenge on my for my having inadvertantly trolled Wonderduck the other day.
UPDATE 20090710: I've been sitting here cringing, waiting for Pete's response. But Pete's wife and daughter are back now after two weeks away, and I suppose he's got better things to be doing right now than to be browsing the web.
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Posted by: metaphysician at July 09, 2009 08:20 PM (AliQw)
(My reaction to the arc was completely the opposite. I liked it dark and serious, and when it got silly, it annoyed me.)
Posted by: ubu at July 09, 2009 09:15 PM (v19Wa)
Posted by: Tatterdemalian at July 10, 2009 04:40 AM (4njWT)
Strawman example: "This series sucks, it has too many lolis." The first part of the statement is opinion ( well, technically its not phrased as such, but not many argue over what it means ). The second part, however, is not. . . especially if what the series actually has a lot of are *adult* characters dressed in pseudo-Victorian garb, but not any children above the extra level. And even if the series *does* have lolis, one cannot complain opinion exemption from debates and questions over things like "what counts as a loli in your definition?"
When I see arguments along those lines, I tend to think either: sloppy claimant; or deceptive claimant.
Posted by: metaphysician at July 10, 2009 06:36 AM (AliQw)
Similarly, I don't get annoyed when people express bad opinions of shows that start with "K" and end with "!". It's not a disagreement; they're simply mistaken.
That's Newton's little-known Third-and-a-Halfth Law. Very perceptive, was Newton.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 10, 2009 08:51 AM (PiXy!)
"Actually, I have seen a complicating factor or two that show up in such arguments. The biggest and most irksome is the "opinion that is not actually an opinion." Basically, someone states an "opinion" that actually sneaks factual claims into itself, and then tries to use the fact that it is an opinion to keep from having to support those claims."
The example you give is still an opinion, with no facts. How many lolis *is* "too many?" For one person, having a series that recreates the first ten minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" with an all-loli cast may be "too many lolis," but to someone else even a single loli hanging around in the background might be too much. ("I don't want to see kids when I'm trying to fap!")
Seems to me that you're either unclear on what actually constitutes an opinion, or trying to do the opposite stunt that all too many snake oil salesmen like to pull: passing off your own opinions as facts. The definition of "opinion" is not a matter of opinion.
Posted by: Tatterdemalian at July 10, 2009 01:02 PM (TaHHC)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at July 10, 2009 01:37 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Toren at July 10, 2009 03:47 PM (T7Qzk)
That kind of passion is a failing of the young.
(And complaining about the failings of the young is a failing of the old.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at July 10, 2009 03:48 PM (+rSRq)
2½.
That's determined empirically. Theory says 6.02 x 1023, which suggests that theory is majorly screwed up.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 10, 2009 05:23 PM (PiXy!)
-j
Posted by: J Greely at July 10, 2009 05:40 PM (9Nz6c)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 10, 2009 07:48 PM (PiXy!)
Enclose all spoilers in spoiler tags:
[spoiler]your spoiler here[/spoiler]
Spoilers which are not properly tagged will be ruthlessly deleted on sight.
Also, I hate unsolicited suggestions and advice. (Even when you think you're being funny.)
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