April 08, 2014

Some people are too stupid to live

Here's a gun story that will make you cringe. (I wonder how long it was before he had an accidental discharge.)

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in linky at 07:49 PM | Comments (5) | Add Comment
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Sometimes,  you just have to cheer for Darwin.

Oh, and it's not unusual to have no safety.  The common misconception is that the safety prevents you from firing the gun unless you really want to.  The reality is that it's to prevent an accidental discharge if the gun is dropped or subjected to a similar kinetic shock.  If the gun's design is such that it can't do so, then like my Kahr K9 -- no safety, and the trigger is live.

Which, if you really, really need it for self defense, that's a good thing.  I'd hate to get killed because I forgot to flip the safety off...

Posted by: ubu at April 09, 2014 07:20 AM (SlLGE)

2 His general attitude is a problem, but as noted by commentator JT this particular detail is not really a problem. The M1911 and this little brother of it are designed to be carried in Condition 1, round chambered, hammer up, manual safety on. I've carried mine for a decade and a half just like that without any problems.

In fact, I'd rate his set up as safer than ubu's, Kahrs are striker fired, there's no external hammer, so you can't keep your thumb on it while holstering to prevent an accidental discharge (thumb in front if single action to catch it as it drops, thumb behind to detect it going up if double action). Such discharges are all too common with e.g. windbreaker ties or malfunctioning/worn holsters.

Not that I expect the guy in the article to be that careful. But I'll never carry a striker fired handgun if I have a choice, and if I had to, I'd put it in the holster while it's pointed in a vaguely safe direction then never put it back in while on my belt. Which could be very problematic in a self-defense situation, which is exactly when you'd expect to make these sorts of accidents.

Posted by: hga at April 09, 2014 08:10 AM (SBLCe)


 Actually, the bigger problem is that it jams like nobody's business. With a manufacturer's clip, not aftermarket.  I picked it over a SigSauer because it fit my hand better, but it's too big for easy concealment and being able to get only a couple of shots off before it stove-pipes is a major, major, negative.  It won't clear; I have to pull the clip and let the jam fall out the bottom.  Lots of comments that I wish I'd seen before I bought it at a show.

I do not recommend the firearm.

Posted by: ubu at April 09, 2014 09:09 AM (SlLGE)

4 Whoa, I'm glad they're already off my list because of the striker fired mechanism.

I myself am eventually planning on getting a Sig Sauer P938 as a backup for my 4" barrel, full length grip, aluminum frame M1911, assuming they turn out to be reliable, the bugs get worked out, etc.  (This is their big brother full sized 9mm version of their P238, which is a near clone of the Colt Mustang.)  We'll see.

And, you know, if the idiot likes the M1911 concept, with his weight he should have no trouble carrying and concealing a full length steel M1911 ... why a mouse gun???

Posted by: hga at April 09, 2014 09:53 AM (SBLCe)

5 I like striker guns, but I passed up Kahr because it has no model with a rail.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at April 09, 2014 05:51 PM (RqRa5)

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