December 09, 2009

Light show

Via, there was an amazing event in the skies over Norway a couple of days ago. I wonder what it was?

My guess when I saw the pictures was that it was a high density meteor that was spinning. But then I watched the video, and it wasn't acting like a meteor, and the spin rate was too slow for what I was thinking.

A lot of people seem to suspect it was a rocket failing, but whose was it? The Russians deny everything.

I would think the most obvious thing to do would be to search the area where it seemed to hit the ground. I hope they do.

UPDATE: The Russians have confirmed that there was a Bulava missile launch that day. This reportedly makes the 8th failure out of 12 launches. (Ouch!)

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1 Back when Air Force used to send up their satellite from Vandenburg  Air Force base in Ventura, we often get some interesting sight from the unspent rocket fuel crystallized in upper atmosphere.  The resulting rocket fuel cloud can be seen all the way down in Los Angeles.

It doesn't quite look like this, but that's something to keep in mind.

Posted by: BigFire at December 09, 2009 12:52 PM (9KNwi)

2 Russian yellow media claims it was a launch of Bulava, that was continuously postponed since October.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 09, 2009 12:54 PM (/ppBw)

3 Failure of a sea-launch missile test does seem the most likely explanation, and in that area that would mean the Russians.  Any debris would almost certainly have fallen back into the water.  This Norwegian news site is also reporting that it was a Bulava test.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 09, 2009 01:28 PM (PiXy!)

4 They also say that atmospheric conditions are what produced the rings of light, so it was a combination of factors that produced the light show.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 09, 2009 01:30 PM (PiXy!)

5 The Russian military has a tendency to deny their failures. So I can believe it was a Russian rocket test that didn't work correctly, which is evident from the video of it spiraling out of control.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 01:35 PM (+rSRq)

6 Bulava was in protracted development and not counting yesterday, 6 out of 11 launches were unsuccesful. What's worse, the rate of failure did not fall as the flight test program progressed, as it usually happens. This means something is wrong with the manufacturing line, not just the design (which is a derivative of Topol-M, a fairly reliable missile, after all). Before this launch the head of M.I.T. (Moscow Institiute Teplotechniki) resigned and a general was put in place to tighten up the operation.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 09, 2009 01:53 PM (/ppBw)

7 Actually, spin-stabilized solid stages are rather common, e.g. American Star 48 is one. Delta II, the most reliable NASA launcher, carries a spin-stabilized stages standard. However, Ed Kyle's library entry for Start-1 suggests that it does not have spin-stabilized components. Bulava may be different, however.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 09, 2009 01:55 PM (/ppBw)

8

That kind of spiral isn't what you'd expect from spin stabilization. It's what you'd expect from a rocket turned on its side, like a jet in a flat-spin.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 02:09 PM (+rSRq)

9

I think this guy aced it:

So that's the drill that will pierce the heavens. Cool.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 02:18 PM (+rSRq)

10 Is this for real?

Frankly both of the videos show things that look nothing alike.

Posted by: Jordi Vermeulen at December 09, 2009 02:48 PM (5EMw1)

11

The two cameras have rather different levels of sensitivity, and they were viewing it from different angles. It's to be expected that there would be some difference in what they captured.

Yes, it appears to have been real.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 05:05 PM (+rSRq)

12 To be honest I thought it looked like a very cheap photoshopped image! But it appears to be genuine, how strange...

Posted by: Jordi Vermeulen at December 10, 2009 12:54 PM (5EMw1)

13 Ground track map points to the target site "Kura" at Kamchatka peninsula, which is often used for this kind of tests. The guy who calculated the angles came to merely 23 km, which I'm sure is way too low: practically within the atmosphere. Also, the official military statement says that the malfunction occured during the separation of 2nd and 3rd stages, which ought to happen above 80km.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 10, 2009 05:54 PM (/ppBw)

14

The news reports say it was launched from a sub. And if it was launched from Kamchatka, people in Norway would never have seen it.

The Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed the Russian Navy launched a Bulava ballistic missile on the same day, but has declined to make any connection with the lights seen over Norway.

It confirmed the missile was fired from the "Dmitry Donskoi" nuclear submarine, but would not comment on the submarine's location at the time of launch.

I'm guessing the sub is based at Arkhangelsk. Isn't there a big navy base there?

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 10, 2009 07:23 PM (+rSRq)

15

Oh, wait, I didn't correctly read what you were saying. You said that Kamchatka was the target. Yeah, I can believe that.

And that map confirms that the sub was based in Arkhangelsk.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 10, 2009 07:25 PM (+rSRq)

16 I think most of those subs are based in Severomorsk, which does not freeze, unlike Arkhangelsk. They shoot from White Sea because it a) increases the test range and places the trajectory closer to the tracking assets (same ones that are used for launches from Plesetsk) and b) makes the spent stages to fall into national waters where they are harder to scavenge, in case.

BTW, you know what's really funny? They launched Topol-M today from Baikonur (eyewitnesses confirm) and it worked just fine. Two or three lower stages are the same in Topol-M and Bulava. So much for manufacturing defects. Although, granted, we don't know when the Topol was made. It may be an old Soviet stock taken from combat standby to verify that it still worked.

Bet Navy is peeved. I already heard mutterings that Russia ought to place more emphasis on land-based ICBMs which "work". Maybe the Strategic Missile Command launched their Topol so close to Bulava's failure on purpose, to demonstrate that they are a-ok unlike those Navy doofuses.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 10, 2009 08:18 PM (/ppBw)

17 I'm sure the admirals are not happy campers today.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 10, 2009 08:59 PM (+rSRq)

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