December 09, 2009
Via, there was an amazing event in the skies over Norway a couple of days ago. I wonder what it was?
My guess when I saw the pictures was that it was a high density meteor that was spinning. But then I watched the video, and it wasn't acting like a meteor, and the spin rate was too slow for what I was thinking.
A lot of people seem to suspect it was a rocket failing, but whose was it? The Russians deny everything.
I would think the most obvious thing to do would be to search the area where it seemed to hit the ground. I hope they do.
UPDATE: The Russians have confirmed that there was a Bulava missile launch that day. This reportedly makes the 8th failure out of 12 launches. (Ouch!)
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It doesn't quite look like this, but that's something to keep in mind.
Posted by: BigFire at December 09, 2009 12:52 PM (9KNwi)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 09, 2009 12:54 PM (/ppBw)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 09, 2009 01:28 PM (PiXy!)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 09, 2009 01:30 PM (PiXy!)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 01:35 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 09, 2009 01:53 PM (/ppBw)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 09, 2009 01:55 PM (/ppBw)
That kind of spiral isn't what you'd expect from spin stabilization. It's what you'd expect from a rocket turned on its side, like a jet in a flat-spin.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 02:09 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 02:18 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Jordi Vermeulen at December 09, 2009 02:48 PM (5EMw1)
The two cameras have rather different levels of sensitivity, and they were viewing it from different angles. It's to be expected that there would be some difference in what they captured.
Yes, it appears to have been real.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2009 05:05 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Jordi Vermeulen at December 10, 2009 12:54 PM (5EMw1)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 10, 2009 05:54 PM (/ppBw)
The news reports say it was launched from a sub. And if it was launched from Kamchatka, people in Norway would never have seen it.
The Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed the Russian Navy launched a Bulava ballistic missile on the same day, but has declined to make any connection with the lights seen over Norway.It confirmed the missile was fired from the "Dmitry Donskoi" nuclear submarine, but would not comment on the submarine's location at the time of launch.
I'm guessing the sub is based at Arkhangelsk. Isn't there a big navy base there?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 10, 2009 07:23 PM (+rSRq)
Oh, wait, I didn't correctly read what you were saying. You said that Kamchatka was the target. Yeah, I can believe that.
And that map confirms that the sub was based in Arkhangelsk.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 10, 2009 07:25 PM (+rSRq)
BTW, you know what's really funny? They launched Topol-M today from Baikonur (eyewitnesses confirm) and it worked just fine. Two or three lower stages are the same in Topol-M and Bulava. So much for manufacturing defects. Although, granted, we don't know when the Topol was made. It may be an old Soviet stock taken from combat standby to verify that it still worked.
Bet Navy is peeved. I already heard mutterings that Russia ought to place more emphasis on land-based ICBMs which "work". Maybe the Strategic Missile Command launched their Topol so close to Bulava's failure on purpose, to demonstrate that they are a-ok unlike those Navy doofuses.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at December 10, 2009 08:18 PM (/ppBw)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 10, 2009 08:59 PM (+rSRq)
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