February 23, 2009
Peter says that seeing eye dogs in Japan are commanded using English words.
This is because there's quite a lot of difference between the way men and women speak in Japanese, with men tending to use the rougher command form of a word like "sit!" (suware! soo-wah-reh) while women would use the softer-sounding request form of the same verb (suwatte! su-wa-tte), potentially confusing the animal. It's an interesting example of Japan's language being too multi-layered and nuance-filled for its own good.
I suppose you could train some dogs specifically for women and some specifically for men, but teaching them unisex English seems to have been easier.
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I'm not surprised about the commands in Japan. One thing they do is emphasize that commands must be very firm. "Forward." "Left." "Right." etc. If the dog is used to the firm commands of a handler, it will have to be partly retrained to understand the less firm commands of a Japanese woman, or the woman would have to be trained to issue firm commands to her dog. It might just be easier to teach English, like you said.
Oh, and to nitpick (because you love that), "Seeing Eye" is a brand name that applies to the school in Morristown, New Jersey. Only dogs from there are Seeing Eye dogs. (Don't hit! They told us to nitpick, and they did pay for a free trip to New York for the students!) All other dogs are "guide dogs."
Posted by: EvilOtto at February 23, 2009 01:15 PM (Ybc00)
One of the less well known parts of the process is that candidate dogs for the school spend the first year of their lives living with a family that has kids.
That's because dogs have to be socialized. A dog that lives the first year of its life in a kennel will be partially feral forever, and can be dangerous and probably won't be a good companion.
So there are families out there which get a new puppy once a year, and at the end of that year have to say good bye. I wonder how often they decide they can't do it, and keep the dog?
Even if the school has a contract with families like that (which I assume it does), I can't imagine that the school would forcibly seize such an animal from a family that didn't want to give it up. (The publicity would be terrible, for one thing.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 23, 2009 01:45 PM (+rSRq)
German Shepherds used to be the favorite breeds for this job because they're large, intelligent, and very trainable. But the hip displasia thing started happening to guide dogs just like it did to so many others, drastically shortening their working life. (Damned AKC inbreeding.)
I had a blind friend in Massachusetts in the 1980's who had a guide dog that was disabled by hip displasia. He had to get another one, but kept the first as a family pet. But it broke the heart of the older one to see another dog doing her job. So his parents took the older dog to their farm, but that didn't really work either, especially as her disease progressed, and she had to be put down. Damned shame.
These days I think they tend to prefer labs. (I've heard that they also use golden retrievers, but I can't imagine that working very well. Goldens are gorgeous and lovable but I don't tend to think of them as being particularly disciplined.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 23, 2009 01:53 PM (+rSRq)
They DO occasionally take a dog away from a blind person who has been abusing or neglecting it, though. Seeing Eye doesn't have any claim of ownership over the dogs they train once they've been given away, so it's more difficult and they must go through the legal process. They told us a few horror stories. Other schools, though, have claim on the dogs and can take it away when needed.
You're right that most schools prefer labs nowadays, though quite a few shepherds are trained, and many schools train a few boxers for clients with dog fur allergies. Interesting bit from my trip: some of the the shepherds SE was training were amazingly small for their breed, sized for smaller persons. SE has its own breeding program and has reduced hip displasia in their dogs.
Posted by: EvilOtto at February 23, 2009 02:48 PM (Ybc00)
Posted by: toadold at February 23, 2009 02:56 PM (zcbXo)
Our new dog, while also a corgi, got the the "brain table" last and so she only understands Japanese--gender neutral, of course.
Posted by: Toren at February 23, 2009 03:01 PM (3ZDUi)
Posted by: BigD at February 23, 2009 04:24 PM (LjWr8)
Also, Border Collies are too hyper. They have to run or they'll go nuts. But they're certainly smart enough.
I had a chance one time to watch a demonstration of herding by a border collie. One of the things they do in competitions is to start with a single flock of an even number of sheep, and to divide it into two equal sized flocks. It's amazing to watch, and it has to be the dog who's doing it; it isn't something that the human can really control that closely. (And God knows it ain't the sheep.)
It's also fun to watch border collies doing the "eye" thing. It really does affect the sheep.
But I can't see them being good guide dogs.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 23, 2009 05:00 PM (+rSRq)
That might be the funniest thing I've read all week, BigD.
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