April 22, 2008

Gravion

Pete just suffered through two episodes of Gravion and declared it braindead.

I survived 2 episodes. Gravion surprised me with its poor form. I’m just not used to watching anything this retarded.

Futakoi was dumb in the plot and character relationships, but this is worse: incompetent across the board.

But is it incompetence? I don't think so. I think they're doing it deliberately.

The first time I watched it, I tried to take it seriously, and I hated it and stopped watching. Later I tried it again, and this time I approached it as being satire -- and had a great old time.

After I watched Gravion Zwei, I became convinced that the director had his tongue firmly in his cheek from the opening minutes of the first episode of the first series. There are jokes, in the sense of mockery of the genre, for which the groundwork was laid in the very first seconds of the first series. It's clear the director placed them there so they could be sprung at the end of the second series. For example:

The reason Gravion is retarded is because it's parodying the worst aspects of classic mecha shows -- and they are all retarded.

Back when I watched the series originally, I exchanged a bit of email with Avatar about it. Avatar was convinced that Sandman was an author-insert. I am absolutely convinced that Sandman is a satire of author-inserts, a deliberately over-the-top ultimate Marty Stu.

Early on, the satire is played with a sufficiently straight face that you can be a bit confused by it. But as the series continues, it gets more and more broad, and I could definitely see them starting to grin. By the time you get to the ending of the second series, they've pretty much dropped any pretense. The joke is out in the open and they're pounding in the tropes and cliches as fast and hard as they possibly can. Once you get into the final plot arc, it approaches farce. I had a great time.

If you're really a fan of mecha series, Gravion is not for you because you're the one they're laughing at. Gravion is the mecha series for people like me, who think that mecha series are stupid. That's because Gravion mocks the mecha genre with utter mercilessness.

UPDATE: Even the costumes are satire. Do you really believe anyone would wear the kind of clothes that Luna is shown wearing in her first appearance on screen?

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That costume isn't just fan service. That costume is a joke. And that's what Luna wears when she isn't working. It isn't livery; she isn't one of the maids. She's one of the pilots, and the pilots all wear whatever they want to when they're not on duty. That's just what she likes -- and I don't believe it for an instant. I don't think the director does, either.

In fact, nearly every character in the series can be found here, somewhere. There is one, and only one, character in the series that is played completely straight and is not mocked in any way. Her name is Yumi, and she's the girl Eiji left behind when he embarked on his expedition to find out what happened to his sister.

Speaking of Eiji's sister, near the end of the second series we do learn her fate. I defy anyone to predict it, and I can't see how anyone could believe the director was being serious about it. (And the seeds of that joke are also planted at the very beginning of the first ep of the first series.)

Yes, Gravion is stupid. Only it isn't. I think it's extremely witty and perspicacious. It's the genre Gravion mocks which is stupid.

UPDATE: Pete is one of those people who don't mind watching fansubs. I challenge him to download the third episode of Gravion Zwei and watch it. And see, afterwards, if his opinion changes. That's the onsen episode. Particularly noteworthy is the ping-pong game.

Or if you want something that's less fan-servicey, the second episode would also be a good choice. That's where Eiji's friends come to the castle to try to find him, and everyone goes on a picnic. And then there's an emergency, and a chase scene.

But the third episode (i.e. the sixteenth of the overall series) really is the best choice for this. I don't see how anyone could watch it and still believe the director was being serious.

UPDATE: Pete responds:

I fully trust anime creators be this braindead, and there’s no real satire here in the way it existed in Excel Saga and Abenobashi.

That's true, but that's not the only way satire can be presented.

I think the problem here is more fundamental: Pete is a fan of the mecha genre, and doesn't think it's funny to see the genre mocked.

UPDATE: How many mechas does it take to change a lightbulb?

UPDATE: My referer list just reminded me of this.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in General Anime at 08:08 PM | Comments (12) | Add Comment
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Pixy: Bug? When I was trying to enter this, I noticed something strange. I typed "Gravion" into the title box and hit Enter -- and it posted it immediately.

I deleted it, and tried it again a couple of times. It's consistent, and that's not a desirable behavior.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 22, 2008 09:02 PM (+rSRq)

2 Not a bug, exactly.  That's standard form behaviour if you hit enter when you're not in a textarea field.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 22, 2008 09:37 PM (PiXy!)

3 For example, when entering a comment, type some text, then click on the name field and hit enter.  Uh, which I just did, which is why I'm writing the rest of this response as another comment.

Whether it should behave this way is open to discussion.  Maybe you really wanted to enter a blank post!

Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 22, 2008 09:40 PM (PiXy!)

4 Well, I think the only time it should post is when I manually push the "post" button.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 22, 2008 09:49 PM (+rSRq)

5 I've still got to say that the marketing material is pretty conclusive. This was not pitched as a comedy or a spoof or a parody - they touted each over-the-top element straight up, like a marketer was going down the list and making sure they didn't leave out any possible method of pandering. I'll put it this way - the only thing that's making you think that it's parody is that you cannot possibly conceive people could make something like this with a straight face. I hold that you're mis-judging the people responsible for the show. Mind you, the difference is mostly academic. Gravion's value is to be laughed at, even if that's not what the creators intended. It's every over-the-top trope, literally, all in one big squishy ball. It's episode after episode of "they did not just do that". And to an extent, the genre has a lot of that in it. You're not intended to take a true super-robot show seriously, at least not fully. Being over-the-top is what that genre is for; pure appreciation of cheeseball lines and the like. Gravion is the same way, but with cheesy filling all the way through, so that when you bite down it squirts out somewhere and stains your shirt. I still hold that the necessary element of satire is self-awareness. Yes, there's something to be said for British humor, where you say something ludicrous with a completely straight face and see how long you can keep it up. But at the end of the day, a good satire needs a wink - a moment where a character steps outside of the production for a bit and says "okay, this time you have got to be kidding". Take Zone of the Enders. Good(ish) mecha series, serious, deep plot, lots of fun on Mars, humor, family comedy... and at the end of the day, it's all a little hollow. Not just because every humanoid robot in the show is sporting a phallic projection, a literal cockpit... but because -nobody ever mentions them-. At all. Not so much as a double-take. It never occurs to any of the characters in the show, the entire time, that they're flying around in aroused mecha - and at the end of the day, nobody buys that. Gravion is the same way. All of the characters take the situation as it's presented to them, utterly seriously, all the time. Oh, there's plenty of comedy, under-dressed maids, slashy bishy pilots, ha ha. But at no time does any of the characters trip that "okay, I don't believe this is actually happening" threshold, that would serve to signal to the audience that yes, they know it's funny and you can go ahead and laugh at it. But no... the show plunges ahead with all of the earnestness of a Shakespearean tragedy. Except that it's being acted out by Bozo the Clown, and nobody's supposed to mention that Yorick's skull is sporting a big rubber nose. Can they really be pandering that hard? The answer is yes. Yes, they can. ;p

Posted by: Avatar_exADV at April 22, 2008 10:03 PM (LMDdY)

6 Okay, dunno what happened there. Normally I get paragraphs without any trouble...

Posted by: Avatar_exADV at April 22, 2008 10:03 PM (LMDdY)

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Avatar, this is the discussion we had, and I don't agree with you. I think there are many examples of cases where the director knew what was going on was silly.

I don't agree that any character needs to break the fourth wall. Perhaps that's our disagreement.

But as an example of sheer silliness: No way the director meant for that to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 22, 2008 10:25 PM (+rSRq)

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As to the marketing stuff, this wouldn't be the first time a series flew false colors. Was Divergence Eve sold as a science fiction horror series? Maybe a little, but you know as well as I do it was mainly sold as a fan service vehicle. The director snuck through the deep character story under the guise of a series featuring lots of huge boobs.

Avatar, can you seriously say you think the director wasn't grinning when he finally showed us what happened to Eiji's sister? Come on...

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 22, 2008 10:40 PM (+rSRq)

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Maybe it's just me, but I thought Gravion was a comedy from the very first episode.  In fact, I thought it was a pretty funny satire of the whole giant robot thing, wherein each new (more powerful) foe is met with a (previously hidden) more powerful weapon...episode after episode.  I was honestly laughing out loud.

I thought Zwei really stumbled with the comedy, though, mostly because they focused on Sandman who was (deliberately) an enigma, and (to my eyes) not a very interesting character.  The only time he really "came alive" for me was in the first season when he showed up with the surfboard.

By the way, I knew were Eiji's sister was from episode two, despite the later "clues" the series threw out.  So there!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 23, 2008 09:48 AM (kLWtB)

10 Yeah, that's one of the problems with "hidden identities" in anime.

As you say, Steven, we've had this discussion. Div Eve is a bad example, though - almost all the Japanese promotional materials were, indeed, focused on the SF horror aspect, with relatively little of the "bounce" featured. So, yeah, like Div Eve, except that supports my position...

And this time, I have line breaks. Go fig.

Posted by: Avatar_exADV at April 23, 2008 10:51 AM (LMDdY)

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Obviously I never saw the stuff you saw for Divergence Eve, but I've seen the promo pictures from the big-format magazines, and they're all about underwear and swimsuits.

And there are Japanese TV ads included in the extras on the DVDs, and those are all about jiggle and bounce.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at April 23, 2008 11:14 AM (+rSRq)

12 Zone of the Enders was saddled with the God Awful Mech designs from the game. That they avoided the dystopic and hellish tone of the game was a big plus.

I liked Z.O.E. a lot. It was lighthearted at times, enjoyable and was a genuinely engaging adventure tale. It was not perfect but it was very cool.

I think I am the only person on earth who actually liked that show.

What little I've seen of Gravion convinces me that Steven is right. It is a parody that's just done completely straight. Godannar had some of that element as well but

Posted by: The Brickmuppet at April 26, 2008 06:48 PM (V5zw/)

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