December 17, 2015
Are the first three movies (i.e. chap 1, chap 2, chap 3) now officially non-canon?
One of the new characters in the new movie (chap 7) is a former storm trooper who decided to change sides. He's black.
I thought all the storm troopers were clones of Jango Fett. Has that changed?
Or... we never actually saw the faces of Jango Fett or Boba Fett, not to mention any storm trooper. Are they all black? (Yikes! The SJW's will spike if so! Black slaves fighting and dying for the white emperor!)
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They were replaced by both volunteers and draftees.
Jango Fett was seen in the movies!
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 17, 2015 09:59 PM (zAcee)
Oh, and the clones in the Clone Wars were originally the conceptual predecessor of the Mandalorians. The "Clones" were a race of cloned soldiers that were the sworn enemies of the Jedi-Bendu.
Posted by: Ben at December 17, 2015 11:30 PM (DRaH+)
The term "Clone wars" appears in ep IV; Luke says "You fought in the Clone Wars?" to Ben Kenobi.
So Lucas had to come up with something to be the "clone wars" for the prequel. And what he came up with was pretty pitiful.
What I was hoping for was that the "clones" were ringers, duplicates of important people who replaced them to infiltrate the top levels of the government. The reason, then, that the Jedi were important was that they were the only ones who could tell who were clones and who were not. Or so I imagined it.
I think that would have made for a lot more interesting story than the one he ended up with IMHO.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 18, 2015 12:13 AM (+rSRq)
I think that sentence applies to the entire "first" trilogy.
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 18, 2015 06:07 AM (zAcee)
-j
Posted by: J Greely at December 18, 2015 07:37 AM (ZlYZd)
As to the original point, Abrams has sort-of kind-of hinted that he's mostly ignoring the prequels. However, they are still "officially" canon.
Posted by: Ben at December 18, 2015 10:17 AM (dGKUu)
I saw the movie last night. The first two thirds was amazing,and if the whole movie had been like that, it would undoubtedly place as the best movie in the franchise by far. Unfortunately the last third was ripe with refrigerator moments. It still blows eps 1-3 out of the water, but I'm not sure it will dethrone episode V as "the best".
Posted by: David at December 18, 2015 11:01 AM (BL/iE)
Posted by: muon at December 18, 2015 02:29 PM (IUHrD)
By this movie, I would think Han is too old to have twins plus one, so they're out?
No Mara Jade?
Man.
Posted by: topmaker at December 18, 2015 06:22 PM (6stZH)
So, nothing Zahn wrote, nor Anderson is canon? No Thrawn? No Pellaeon?
By this movie, I would think Han is too old to have twins plus one, so they're out?
No Mara Jade?
Pretty much. Disney dropped the Expanded Universe into the round container not long after they bought the franchise from George Lucas. So my Mara Jade action figure (For the longest time, among the most valued action figure released for Star Wars.) is no longer part of the franchise proper.
Posted by: cxt217 at December 18, 2015 06:49 PM (HFKy5)
And as usual, Zahn has pretty strong evidence that Lucas did in fact originally intend the Thrawn trilogy to be chapters 7 - 9, just as Splinter of the Mind's Eye was originally Star Wars 2. When the Zahn books showed how much demand there was for Star Wars stories, the expanded universe was born. Although it's always had an asterisk next to the name.
Posted by: Ben at December 18, 2015 09:10 PM (DRaH+)
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