November 24, 2010

Dammit, HP!

I'm not just frustrated because I don't yet have my Slate 500. I'm even more frustrated because I don't have the slightest idea when I'll get it. The HP order page for my order is completely useless, continuing its pattern of updating the delivery date one day per day, always saying today's date.

There seems to be a lot of excitement out there for this fundamental form factor. Several major companies are talking about releasing tablets of various sizes and characteristics. What they all seem to have in common, though, is that they run upgraded phone operating systems. Android seems to be a popular choice. The iPad runs the same fundamental OS as the iPhone. And the buzz about HP is that their main choice for this would be WebOS, the lineal descendant of the Palm OS which they gained when they bought out Palm.

I don't understand that. I have owned PDA's before. I used to own a clamshell I bought from HP, which ran WinCE but used some sort of esoteric processor, and I have two main memories of it: first, that it was awesome and the built-in software worked really well (including a cut-down version of Office) and second, that finding apps for it was frustrating as all hell. They had to be developed specifically for WinCE and they had to be compiled for the specific Toshiba processor I was using. (Fortunately for me, the built-in apps were sufficient for my needs.)

That unit was amazing; it fit easily in my pocket, but when opened the top part featured a 640*200 display with a touch screen, and the bottom part had a mini-QWERTY keyboard. With my big fingers I couldn't touch-type, but I could four-finger quite reasonably.

One of the biggest reasons I was so hyped by the Slate 500 is because it runs Windows 7. Maybe it's not the best operating system in the world. Maybe making it run on that form factor is a problem. But, there's all that wonderful software out there which runs on it, including all the standard apps which I use on all my other Windows machines. And for me, at least, that easy and rich availability of apps is the biggest point in its favor.

I don't want Android. Maybe it's cooler than next week's snow storm. Maybe it's hotter than AGW. But it's still a custom execution environment, and I've already been there.

In fact I've been there as recently as last February. The iPaq is another one, and it took me a long time to figure out where and how to buy apps, and there just aren't that many out there that interest me. (I ended up buying about five games, but the only ones I ever play are an iPaq version of Minesweeper and an iPaq version of Mah Jong solitaire.)

Compatibility with Windows is a huge selling point for me, but apparently HP thinks it's a net negative. One reason they may have ordered a small initial production run for the Slate 500 (rumored) is that they really didn't want to release it with Windows, and wanted to wait until they could release fundamentally the same hardware but with WebOS on it. Bleah. (Yeah, they have to pay per-copy for Windows and WebOS they own, but that's their problem, not mine.)

The proprietary execution environment, combined with Apple's iron grip on app sales, is the main reason I would never consider buying an iPad. Android is a little better, because there's no Android equivalent to Apple's monopoly online store, but it's still a proprietary execution environment, a new one, with little support.

Windows solves that problem, but I seem to be the only person who thinks it's important.

It sure doesn't seem like HP does, though. They say that a sure sign that a studio thinks a movie is awful is that they don't schedule prescreenings of the film for big name reviewers. In the tech industry, a good indication that a company isn't enthusiastic about a high tech consumer product is that they don't release any to major tech magazines for review -- and that seems to be the case for the Slate 500. The only tech reviewer that I've found talking about seeing and trying a real unit was this one.

But it wasn't HP that let him use it. It was the Israeli company that developed the touch pad, and the unit he saw was an engineering proto, not even pilot build. The touch pad, apparently, is a step ahead: it can detect multi-touch, and it is pressure sensitive. So that company is proud of the unit and wants the press to see it.

Unlike HP.

One of the rumors was that shipment was shut down because they had discovered a major bug which could cause the unit to lock up completely, requiring a reset. If so, then maybe the reason they haven't loaned any units to any reviewers is because they feared the result if the units did lock up that way. And I can't really blame them.

If it's an intransigent bug, finding and fixing it could really be  time-consuming. I know that all too well, from personal experience. But I also know that leaving customers (and potential customers) dangling in the breeze, with no solid information at all, is terrible business practice.

Maybe they're working their butts off to try to ship these as soon as they reasonably can. Or maybe they just don't give a damn.

The "back order" announcement doesn't explain everything. If, as the rumor said, they built 5000 units and received 9000 orders, well, then there should be 5000 happy customers out there who received theirs -- or a hundred, or at least a few. A handful of the 5000 units should have ended up with magazines for review.

The fact that, as far as I can tell, not a single unit has shipped, means there's something deeper going on, which is why I'm coming to believe the "last minute fatal bug" explanation. If anyone out there has received their Slate 500, they haven't posted anything about it online that I've found using major search engines.

It's increasingly hard for me to ignore the "they don't give a damn" theory. (Which isn't mutually exclusive with the "fatal bug" theory.)

No matter what the issues are, HP's utter silence regarding the situation is intolerable.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in Computers at 08:25 PM | Comments (10) | Add Comment
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1 I think you're reading way to much into the name "Windows 7" on that phone OS. I would be shocked if even 10% of randomly chosen desktop apps work on a windows 7 phone.

I've been eagerly awaiting a usable tablet myself, the iPad has way too many limitations for me to want one, and the only Android tablets I've seen reviewed so far have lots of issues as well. A good 10" windows tablet might do the things I want, but so far they're all vaporware. Given what by all measures appears to be a large market for a convincing iPad competitor this Christmas, it amazes me that there are so few products planned for release, and that the few that are released are getting so little push, the HP slate being a prime example. As you say, HP must really not like (or be afraid of) this product to not be pushing it like mad right now.

Posted by: David at November 24, 2010 09:03 PM (xcVNq)

2 David, the Slate is a PC.  It runs real Windows 7, not Windows Phone 7.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 24, 2010 11:18 PM (PiXy!)

3

I would be shocked if even 10% of randomly chosen desktop apps work on a windows 7 phone.

Here's the datasheet PDF.

It's not running Win7 Phone (is there such a thing?). It's running Win7 Professional 32-bit.

It's designed to be used with a USB keyboard, a USB optical drive, a blue-tooth (or USB) mouse, and a wifi internet connection, and if you have all those things, it's pretty much a netbook.

Even without those extra gizmos, it should run normal Windows apps. For "keyboard" input, there's a hunt-and-peck keyboard that displays on screen, like the one the iPaq has, and it also has a form of handwriting recognition which reportedly is pretty good. (The iPaq has that, too, but I haven't experimented with it, and in any case it isn't the same software.)

The Slate 500 has 2G of RAM, and it really should run anything that will work in Win7-32. For instance, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't run Paint Shop Pro  8.1, which is one of my standard image processing programs, or Thumbs Plus, another of them.

The 64G SSD is the biggest limitation, but even that can be ameliorated. It's got an SDXC slot, and you can get 64G SDXC's now. (And the SDXC spec supports 2TB of address space.) Or if you're not using the USB port for anything else, you can use a thumb drive.

It's not the most powerful processor in the world, but apparently it's a lot more powerful than the one that Apple put in the iPad. I look forward to trying some limited benchmarks when the time comes.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 24, 2010 11:20 PM (+rSRq)

4

Pixy beat me to it. (I took a long time to compose that.)

As someone around here put it, the Slate 500 is effectively a netbook with the keyboard sawed off and a touchpad added. In terms of physical packaging it's not quite that simple, of course, but in terms of physical features, that's pretty much the truth.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 24, 2010 11:30 PM (+rSRq)

5

I just received two communications from companies I'm doing business with. One was HP, another copy of a delay form letter that didn't tell me anything.

Well, it said that if they haven't shipped the unit by Dec 27, they'll cancel the order and refund my money. But it didn't say when they expect to ship it, or why there's a delay, or anything substantive.

Thee other was from CDJapan telling me that my copy of BD 3 of Asobi ni Iku Yo has shipped. Fedex says they'll deliver it tomorrow.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 25, 2010 09:41 AM (+rSRq)

6 I'd say the processor is the product's biggest weakness; Atom, especially the single core versions, feels poky if you're used to a modern multi-core processor. I can't stand even the dual core Atom netbooks. How much that matters to you depends on what you're planning on trying to do with the thing, of course. 

Posted by: John Lewis at November 25, 2010 08:53 PM (LfW1t)

7

I don't expect it to perform like Alcyone does. (I'm not an idiot.)

Alcyone is a quad Q9000. The built-in Windows performance test says:

Processor 6.9
Memory 6.9
Graphics 6.8
Gaming graphics 6.8
Primary hard disk 5.9

The Slate might have a better HD score, but the rest of those will be substantially worse.

On the other hand, I won't be too surprised if it's faster than Arcturus (my torrent machine). It's a single-core Turion 64 running 1.8 GHz.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 25, 2010 09:02 PM (+rSRq)

8 Assuming, that is, HP even bothers to ship me one. (grumble)

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 25, 2010 09:02 PM (+rSRq)

9 Wow, most people only get this aggravated with HP after they receive the product.

Posted by: pgfraering at November 25, 2010 10:10 PM (2CcxA)

10

I've bought a lot of HP products over the years. They made the workstation I bought about 8 years ago which was my primary computer for several years, and it was excellent. It was also really expensive, but I don't mind  that. I'm willing to pay for quality.

I bought a couple of different PDAs from them back then, too. and I have bought other things. But I've never been treated like this by them before.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 25, 2010 10:14 PM (+rSRq)

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