November 05, 2011

Shark007 Codecs for Win7 64 supporting Hi10P

Thanks to reader David, I have discovered the Shark007 codecs. It's a competitor for the Combined Community Codec Pack, but unlike CCCP it supports 64-bit players, like Media Player Classic x64.

There is a 32-bit package, downloadable from here.

And there is a 64-bit addon, downloadable from here.

If you have any other codec system installed, such as CCCP, you have to uninstall those first. Then you have to install both of these packages. (And unfortunately, they automatically and unconditionally install both the Bing toolbar and the Ask toolbar on every browser you have installed, so you have to go turn them back off again if you don't want them. That's the only obnoxious thing here.)

Once they're installed, go into the install directory for the 32-bit package (it's "program files (x86)\Win7codecs\tools") and run "settings32.exe" as administrator.

Then go into the install directory for the 64-bit add-ons ("program files\Shark007\tools") and run "settings64.exe" as administrator. You only have to run those as administrator once.

I didn't make any changes to the settings, and MPC64 works beautifully with every MKV I tested, including those encoded using Hi10P.

Shark007 gets the Chizumatic seal of approval.

UPDATE: The best way to get rid of the Bing bar and Ask bar is with the "Programs and Features" applet in the Control Panel. Each one shows up there and can be uninstalled from your system completely.

UPDATE: I just noticed that it also changed my search provider in FireFox to Ask.com, without my permission. I can't figure out how to change it back again, but it doesn't matter because I never use it.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in Computers at 05:28 PM | Comments (16) | Add Comment
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1 Thanks, Steven.  This solved a recent problem I'd been having with being unable to convert some recent MKV files into MP4s with hardsubs.

Posted by: Toren at November 05, 2011 05:45 PM (SiLUT)

2 The question is, is there any appreciable difference in quality between an 8 bit and 10 bit video, now that the obvious decoding problems are gone?

Posted by: Mauser at November 05, 2011 06:02 PM (cZPoz)

3

Last time we had this discussion, it was said that the advantage was smaller files, not better quality. Whether that's true, I don't know.

Only reason I wanted it is because it's increasingly the codec of choice for a lot of circles for their high-res stuff.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 05, 2011 06:18 PM (+rSRq)

4 I'm not completely happy with the Shark007 codecs myself.  While the 64-bit thing is nice, especially for using Media Center where you don't get a 32 bit option on the 64 bit OS, some of the installed codecs aren't up to the standards of what comes with CCCP.  OGM playback is not nearly as good as with CCCP, and the same with flash video.  Of course they do update fairly frequently.  The last time I installed them I didn't have the Bing toolbar issue, that must be new.

Posted by: David at November 05, 2011 06:23 PM (Kn54v)

5

That's pretty common with these kinds of packages, but usually they're polite enough to ask if you want it, and not install if you say you don't.

They get sponsorship money for including that in their install packages, and I can understand the attraction (for them).

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 05, 2011 06:33 PM (+rSRq)

6 By the way, the 32-bit package did ask if I wanted them, and I said no. I think it installed them anyway.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 05, 2011 08:12 PM (+rSRq)

7 They also seem to be Vista/7 only, and I'm on XP still.

Posted by: Mauser at November 06, 2011 02:38 AM (cZPoz)

8 I'm not clear on the advantage of using a 64 bit player. Maybe eventually Windows will stop permitting mixed-use 32 & 64 on a single system, but for now 32 bit programs run fine on my 64 bit OS. In so many cases, 64 bit programs come with endless aggravation, as in the example above (installing add-ons without permission).

Posted by: Boviate at November 07, 2011 12:08 AM (RPpft)

9

SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data) is the generic name for a category of instructions which are useful for some kinds of data processing. It gets used when you have a lot of data and need to do the same operations on all of it at once.

Video is a classic example of that kind of thing. The Pentium 32-bit model has a set of SIMD instructions which can operate on 8-bit or 16-bit values. So when it's processing 8-bit data using SIMD, it can operate on four at once.

In the 64-bit model, those instructions can operate on eight at once. So if you had a 64-bit player program, and 64-bit codecs, it should be possible to process larger and more complicated video in 64-bit than in 32-bit.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 07, 2011 06:31 AM (+rSRq)

10 There's a move afoot in Linux land to create a new ABI called "32x" or something like that. It runs the userland in normal 64 bit mode, but maps everything into one 32-bit area. This way 32-bit pointers are used, structures are deflated, cache pressures reduced, but things like wide SIMD and large file offsets are easy to use.

Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at November 07, 2011 09:00 AM (G2mwb)

11

That seems kind of pointless. It's pretty much a solution for a problem which time and advancing technology will solve anyway.

It's for people with 64-bit computers who only have 2G of RAM, pretty much. I've got 6G in this machine, and I can't see why I'd care if a program used this programming model instead of being pure 64-bit code.

The only people who really would want this are those who have 64-bit processors but only have 2G of RAM in their computers, and don't want to spend the money to get something new (or to upgrade their existing hardware). Hell of a lot of work for a pretty small (and declining) user base.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 07, 2011 12:30 PM (+rSRq)

12 IE9:  Tools|Internet Options, and click the Settings button next to the "change search defaults."  IIRC it's similar in IE8.

Posted by: RickC at November 07, 2011 08:00 PM (VKVOz)

13 Now, about how to fix it in Firefox? (Which is what I was complaining about?)

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 07, 2011 08:02 PM (+rSRq)

14 You can manage your search engine in Firefox by going to the search box on the toolbar, and clicking the little down arrow next to the icon.  The last option in the list should be "Manage Search Engines."  Presumably Ask has been moved to the top of the list, you can just move Google or whatever back up to the top of the list.

Posted by: David at November 07, 2011 08:38 PM (Kn54v)

15 Thank you; that did it.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 07, 2011 10:55 PM (+rSRq)

16 Sorry, Steven, I missed that you were using FF.  I think IE, btw, will let you switch search providers the same way FF does, by using the dropdown.

Posted by: RickC at November 08, 2011 06:46 PM (VKVOz)

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