November 27, 2013

IE-11: Dammit, Microsoft!

Microsoft rolled out the 32-bit version of IE-11 about two weeks ago, and rolled out the 64-bit version yesterday.

It breaks some functionality associated with post and comment entry here on meenu. What I've noticed so far:

1. Link entry no longer works. For post entry you can still use the "HTML" mode to enter a-href's. For comment entry you're SOL. I guess they have to go inline, as ugly as that is. So we have a temporary amnesty on the ugly way of doing it. Like this:

2. Control-I works to start italics but doesn't work to end them. You can hit the "I" italic button in the header to turn them off. Strangely enough, control-B and control-U work fine both opening and closing.

3. Control-V doesn't work to paste text into a post or comment. You can right-click and choose "paste" and that works.

I've alerted Pixy, so all we can do is be patient. Luckily for us, this isn't a holiday in Australia. But this kind of incompatibility issue isn't likely to be easy to fix. We may have to put up with it for several weeks. Let's all practice patience.

Or use Firefox. 

Posted by: Steven Den Beste in Computers at 05:00 PM | Comments (12) | Add Comment
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Testing italics.  Testing a link. Testing text paste.


Ok.  The "problem" is that document mode emulation is set to "Edge" (I guess that means "bleeding edge.")  Changing doc mode to IE10 brings back all the features.

For those so inclined, hit F12, then on the little black band under the "F12" icon, scroll down to the icon of a computer & monitor, and change the "document mode" dropdown to 10.  (For Pixy:  This may be helpful. "Edge is the Document Mode of Internet Explorer 11 that always recognizes the latest modern web standards. Starting with Internet Explorer 11, new versions of IE will not be introducing new version-specific document modes. We suggest that you update any site that currently relies on legacy features and older document modes to render modern web standards."

Posted by: RickC at November 27, 2013 07:22 PM (swpgw)

2 BTW, closing the developer tools resets the document mode back to Edge and forces a refresh of the page, at which point stuff stops working again.

Posted by: RickC at November 27, 2013 07:23 PM (swpgw)


Also, this is where Microsoft just can't win.  People damned them for years because of flagging support for standards.  Now they get behind standards and dramatically improve support for them, and people gripe because their pages, full of workarounds for bad IE behavior, no longer work.

Not dinging Pixy here; IIRC the comment form is a 3rd-party thing he licensed.

Posted by: RickC at November 27, 2013 07:27 PM (swpgw)


Also also, (and I do apologize for flooding your comments, but I just saw your last sentence) consider Chrome as well as (or better yet, instead of) Firefox, because while it has it's warts, the FF devs are going kind of crazy with the way they change stuff.

Posted by: RickC at November 27, 2013 07:28 PM (swpgw)


When looking at any meenu page, click the gear icon and choose "Compatibility View settings". Then click the "add" button.

After which the document setting defaults to "7" for that site.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 27, 2013 08:51 PM (+rSRq)

6 Sure, you can do that, but then you're pretending to be *barf* IE7.

Posted by: RickC at November 27, 2013 09:57 PM (swpgw)

7 Fine by me.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 27, 2013 11:01 PM (+rSRq)

8 It looks like the editor widget is using its own IE compatibility mode, which is incompatible with IE 11.  I'll see if I can get it to use incompatible mode for IE 11, which should make it compatible. 

 (This is why compatibility mode works for you - it makes IE incompatible, which makes it compatible with the incompatible compatible mode in the widget.)

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 28, 2013 07:30 AM (PiXy!)

9 I have a headache...

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at November 28, 2013 08:42 AM (+rSRq)

10 This is why you never get in a land war in Asia!

Posted by: sqa at November 28, 2013 09:08 AM (fI7v2)

11 Sounds like someone spent too much time playing with MongoDB last night.

Posted by: RickC at November 28, 2013 10:18 AM (swpgw)

12 I wonder if that's got anything to do with why the site scrolls to the top of the page if I paste into the editor?

Posted by: Mauser at November 28, 2013 09:56 PM (TJ7ih)

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