May 22, 2013
This is a horrible thing. Obviously it was intended to be horrible. (UPDATE: Two black guys in the UK captured a British soldier and beheaded him in public, then waited around for the police to show up, exchanged fire with them, and both were hit. Of course, they were yelling "Allahu Akbar". No word on whether either of them died.)
When I was reading it, there were two sentences that stood out for me and hit me in the head:
1: "They took 20 minutes to arrive, the police – the armed response."
2: "There were people passing by who were screaming and running away."
This was in the UK somewhere. What struck me when I read those things was, Here in Cowboy USA that's not what would have happened. At least some people who observed the situation would have gotten involved. If there had been someone with a concealed-carry they'd have stopped it.
And a 20-minute police response time to something like this is totally scandalous. If you disarm your citizenry, you should protect them better than that.
This is the result of draconian gun control. The bad guys have guns, the civilians are helpless, and when seconds count the police are about half an hour away.
Tell me again why, exactly, the British approach to this is better than ours?
UPDATE: "2 UK govt officials: London attack appears to be motivated by radical Islam"
No kidding! I wonder how they figured that out?
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Posted by: sqa at May 22, 2013 12:09 PM (KuPSx)
Anyway, reason the British system is better? So those damn Yanks can't go and rebel at will! (Their actual gun control insanity is actually a far more recent thing)
Posted by: sqa at May 22, 2013 12:10 PM (KuPSx)
I hope the killers get the punishment they deserve, but from the news I've read from Britain lately, I suspect they won't...
Posted by: Siergen at May 22, 2013 12:16 PM (Ao4Kw)
Britain is a classic example of what happens when you combine firearms prohibition AND the criminalizing of defense of self/property, with a state that lacks a monopoly on armed force. For firearms prohibition to 'work', the state has to provide absolute protection of its citizens from criminals and enemies. If a state will not allow you to defend yourself, and is not able to defend you, than it has fail the most basic responsibility of a state.
Posted by: cxt217 at May 22, 2013 03:46 PM (HWMXn)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at May 22, 2013 05:56 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Mauser at May 23, 2013 04:35 AM (cZPoz)
If so, Britain's women are braver than their men. This may explain their politics.
Posted by: ubu at May 23, 2013 06:22 AM (GfCSm)
BTW about that 20 minutes lag. Remember, this is *NOT* a far away place where it takes ages for the cops to arrive. This was in the thick of London, one of the world's biggest cities, and definitely one of the (if not the very one) top cities in the world. How bad is the British state, if even in their own capital, it takes 20 minutes for the cops to show up?
Also, the murderers said that it was in the name of Islam, and David Cameron, Britain's Prime Minister said it had nothing to do with Islam. Question. What qualifications Cameron has to make that statement? If Muslims go to protest against this murder with the same vehemence they protested against the Danish cartoons, I will believe that. If not, then ... I started to have some respect for him for standing up for the west in the past, but that respect is dissipating fast.
Vilmos
Posted by: vilmos at May 23, 2013 07:42 AM (yHm+k)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at May 23, 2013 07:52 AM (+rSRq)
Quote: The attackers knew they were actors in a drama — as keenly watched in their communities as on the BBC. And in that other audience they were asking: "How will the locals behave?†We know now. And that other audience may derive an entirely different lesson from this tableau: "See? Only their women act like men. They follow orders. They are nothing anymore — these Westerners. They are a civilization whose core has been destroyed.â€
Apparently the attackers would only allow women near the victim. In a comment, Wretchard said, "What if those "suspects" had started decapitating the woman show in the picture? What then, send another woman?" (Statements like this are why I think he's your logical successor as one of the Four Horsemen.)
Don't worry, the British police can still act quickly when it come to offensive Twitter comments.
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