February 03, 2015
Here are a couple of images which will give you nightmares. (No blood or gore, but there doesn't need to be.)
The good news is that most of the people on board seem to have survived. But yikes!!!
What is amazing to me is that someone was able (and willing) to take those pictures. In an increasingly electronic world, we'll see more and more of this.
UPDATE: Now it's looking like the survival rate is somewhere around a third.
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Posted by: DavidS at February 05, 2015 09:52 PM (UW9Nu)
This one kept its engines, but reportedly the pilots radioed that one of their engines had flamed out. (Based on the video, probably the port side engine.)
When there are two engines, mounted as widely apart as those were, and one of them goes out rapidly and unexpectedly, then there's a strong tendency for the aircraft to roll towards the dead engine if the pilots don't react fast enough with the rudder. If it happens while you're close to the ground, there probably isn't time to recover, and you'd get exactly the crash we saw.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 05, 2015 11:04 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 06, 2015 03:37 AM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at February 06, 2015 12:09 PM (RqRa5)
"Hurry up" culture in that part of the world - the faster the better.
The sad thing is that you really need do nothing after a flameout except retract the gear; the prop autofeathers. All you need to do is keep control and climb. If the engine isn't burning it need not be secured until you're at a safe altitude.
Instead, we get an immediate mayday call followed by an unintentional engine shutdown.
A bootfull of rudder is apparently beneath menthon in the description of the procedure. ATR, coming from the Euro school of design, may even have autotrim.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at February 06, 2015 03:34 PM (RqRa5)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 06, 2015 04:30 PM (+rSRq)
OK, that articleI linked to contains much more specific info now than when I linked to it originally.
The starboard engine flamed out, and the pilot responded by shutting down the port-side engine.
(I wish someone would cue that writer that you don't use the words "left" and "right" when talking about planes and ships.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at February 06, 2015 04:42 PM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at February 06, 2015 07:28 PM (RqRa5)
Aircraft crashes are always spectacular, of course, but it's easy to fall for the "misleading vividness" fallacy.
There are tens of thousands of heavy aircraft out there most of which fly nearly every day. Millions of flights every year and in a typical year there may be three or four crashes. A few hundred people a year die this way, compared (for instance) to many thousands who die in car accidents.
And occasionally you get an aircraft failure where everyone walks away.
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